Trying to breed the Estonian Native

[PSH]

Hey!

I was trying to breed the estonian native horse, with the stallion https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4245773 and my mare https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4664288
Maybe because my arabian mare is 17.2hh and not 14hh to 15.3hh the foal isn't a estonian native? I bought a filly ( 3yo) that is 15hh, so I hope I can get a foal when she reaches 4yo. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong? Please, help!

I would appreciate any help to breed this unique breed!

OliviaEquestrian - PSH

[BlackOak2]

Hey!

I was trying to breed the estonian native horse, with the stallion https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4245773 and my mare https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4664288
Maybe because my arabian mare is 17.2hh and not 14hh to 15.3hh the foal isn't a estonian native? I bought a filly ( 3yo) that is 15hh, so I hope I can get a foal when she reaches 4yo. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong? Please, help!

I would appreciate any help to breed this unique breed!

OliviaEquestrian - PSH

Yes. You will want your foal to be born between 33 inches and 9.2 hands in order to be between 14 and 15.3 hands as an adult. The second mare you purchased would be a much better prospect for height. However, almost any arabian will have trouble producing an Estonian for you. The arab breed (the largest part of the arab population found on the market) is going to be favoring the super light variety of type. Which means all of your foals will be very light or light (most likely). You will want to use an even heavier Finnish to compensate or breed yourself a heavier arab (I would suggest the second option). This isn't an easy recipe. Good Luck!

[PSH]

Hey!

I was trying to breed the estonian native horse, with the stallion https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4245773 and my mare https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4664288
Maybe because my arabian mare is 17.2hh and not 14hh to 15.3hh the foal isn't a estonian native? I bought a filly ( 3yo) that is 15hh, so I hope I can get a foal when she reaches 4yo. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong? Please, help!

I would appreciate any help to breed this unique breed!

OliviaEquestrian - PSH

Yes. You will want your foal to be born between 33 inches and 9.2 hands in order to be between 14 and 15.3 hands as an adult. The second mare you purchased would be a much better prospect for height. However, almost any arabian will have trouble producing an Estonian for you. The arab breed (the largest part of the arab population found on the market) is going to be favoring the super light variety of type. Which means all of your foals will be very light or light (most likely). You will want to use an even heavier Finnish to compensate or breed yourself a heavier arab (I would suggest the second option). This isn't an easy recipe. Good Luck!

Thanks for the tips!

PSH

[PSH]

Hey!

I was trying to breed the estonian native horse, with the stallion https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4245773 and my mare https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4664288
Maybe because my arabian mare is 17.2hh and not 14hh to 15.3hh the foal isn't a estonian native? I bought a filly ( 3yo) that is 15hh, so I hope I can get a foal when she reaches 4yo. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong? Please, help!

I would appreciate any help to breed this unique breed!

OliviaEquestrian - PSH

Yes. You will want your foal to be born between 33 inches and 9.2 hands in order to be between 14 and 15.3 hands as an adult. The second mare you purchased would be a much better prospect for height. However, almost any arabian will have trouble producing an Estonian for you. The arab breed (the largest part of the arab population found on the market) is going to be favoring the super light variety of type. Which means all of your foals will be very light or light (most likely). You will want to use an even heavier Finnish to compensate or breed yourself a heavier arab (I would suggest the second option). This isn't an easy recipe. Good Luck!

Could a medium-heavy 15.1hh finnish universal stallion and a very light 15.2hh arabian mare work?

Links for them:

https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/barn/216494

there is my pregnant mare

Thanks!

PSH

[BlackOak2]

Yes. You will want your foal to be born between 33 inches and 9.2 hands in order to be between 14 and 15.3 hands as an adult. The second mare you purchased would be a much better prospect for height. However, almost any arabian will have trouble producing an Estonian for you. The arab breed (the largest part of the arab population found on the market) is going to be favoring the super light variety of type. Which means all of your foals will be very light or light (most likely). You will want to use an even heavier Finnish to compensate or breed yourself a heavier arab (I would suggest the second option). This isn't an easy recipe. Good Luck!

Could a medium-heavy 15.1hh finnish universal stallion and a very light 15.2hh arabian mare work?

Links for them:

https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/barn/216494

there is my pregnant mare

Thanks!

PSH

It's a slim chance. Because what you're aiming for is a Pony type foal that's 70 to 90 percent type with a body size of 50 to 70. Arabs from the AC and even throughout breeding around here have favored light and super light and any arabian that's been outbred are usually bred to lightweight horses. Thus their bloodlines still favor light builds. The arabian on HWO is a super light favor'er which in layman terms means that any foals out of them, despite the other horse, will very often turn out lightweight as well. You will need to breed your arabians to stop favoring the super light frame. If you can get an arabian to pop out as a medium horse type, then you will be on your way toward them being less lightweight sticky.

I doubt that a medium-heavy finnish will have enough 'heavy' to pull the arabian's sticky lightweight away far enough to pop your Estonian. That said, it shouldn't persuade you away from giving it a try anyways. Just be aware that you may need to do some alternative breeding to get a pair of parents more suited to producing your Estonian.

[PSH]

Could a medium-heavy 15.1hh finnish universal stallion and a very light 15.2hh arabian mare work?

Links for them:

https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/barn/216494

there is my pregnant mare

Thanks!

PSH

It's a slim chance. Because what you're aiming for is a Pony type foal that's 70 to 90 percent type with a body size of 50 to 70. Arabs from the AC and even throughout breeding around here have favored light and super light and any arabian that's been outbred are usually bred to lightweight horses. Thus their bloodlines still favor light builds. The arabian on HWO is a super light favor'er which in layman terms means that any foals out of them, despite the other horse, will very often turn out lightweight as well. You will need to breed your arabians to stop favoring the super light frame. If you can get an arabian to pop out as a medium horse type, then you will be on your way toward them being less lightweight sticky.

I doubt that a medium-heavy finnish will have enough 'heavy' to pull the arabian's sticky lightweight away far enough to pop your Estonian. That said, it shouldn't persuade you away from giving it a try anyways. Just be aware that you may need to do some alternative breeding to get a pair of parents more suited to producing your Estonian.

Wow, i thought I schose a easy recipe, but not haha
thanks!!

[BlackOak2]

It's a slim chance. Because what you're aiming for is a Pony type foal that's 70 to 90 percent type with a body size of 50 to 70. Arabs from the AC and even throughout breeding around here have favored light and super light and any arabian that's been outbred are usually bred to lightweight horses. Thus their bloodlines still favor light builds. The arabian on HWO is a super light favor'er which in layman terms means that any foals out of them, despite the other horse, will very often turn out lightweight as well. You will need to breed your arabians to stop favoring the super light frame. If you can get an arabian to pop out as a medium horse type, then you will be on your way toward them being less lightweight sticky.

I doubt that a medium-heavy finnish will have enough 'heavy' to pull the arabian's sticky lightweight away far enough to pop your Estonian. That said, it shouldn't persuade you away from giving it a try anyways. Just be aware that you may need to do some alternative breeding to get a pair of parents more suited to producing your Estonian.

Wow, i thought I schose a easy recipe, but not haha
thanks!!

You're easy recipes will be the ones that are close in body types. So horse types that make horse types and pony types that make pony types. Then there are lightweight horse types that are different from heavyweight horse types and the same for pony types. You're trying to make a heavyweight pony type from a lightweight pony type and a lightweight horse type.

You can manage it, you have enough knowledge about the game to tackle it, but it might take you additional time.

I think I'll make up another guide for the different type breeds according to difficulty by recipe.... but it might take me a little bit.

[PSH]

Wow, i thought I schose a easy recipe, but not haha
thanks!!

You're easy recipes will be the ones that are close in body types. So horse types that make horse types and pony types that make pony types. Then there are lightweight horse types that are different from heavyweight horse types and the same for pony types. You're trying to make a heavyweight pony type from a lightweight pony type and a lightweight horse type.

You can manage it, you have enough knowledge about the game to tackle it, but it might take you additional time.

I think I'll make up another guide for the different type breeds according to difficulty by recipe.... but it might take me a little bit.

Hey!
Thanks a lot for helping me!


PSH

[PSH]

Wow, i thought I schose a easy recipe, but not haha
thanks!!

You're easy recipes will be the ones that are close in body types. So horse types that make horse types and pony types that make pony types. Then there are lightweight horse types that are different from heavyweight horse types and the same for pony types. You're trying to make a heavyweight pony type from a lightweight pony type and a lightweight horse type.

You can manage it, you have enough knowledge about the game to tackle it, but it might take you additional time.

I think I'll make up another guide for the different type breeds according to difficulty by recipe.... but it might take me a little bit.

Hey BlackOak2!

I was wondering if you can tell me some medium-easy horse recipes? I'm a new breeder, and I thought breeding a Estonian would be easy because I just need two breeds, but now I see I was a little wron hahah


Thanks!


PSH

[BlackOak2]

You're easy recipes will be the ones that are close in body types. So horse types that make horse types and pony types that make pony types. Then there are lightweight horse types that are different from heavyweight horse types and the same for pony types. You're trying to make a heavyweight pony type from a lightweight pony type and a lightweight horse type.

You can manage it, you have enough knowledge about the game to tackle it, but it might take you additional time.

I think I'll make up another guide for the different type breeds according to difficulty by recipe.... but it might take me a little bit.

Hey BlackOak2!

I was wondering if you can tell me some medium-easy horse recipes? I'm a new breeder, and I thought breeding a Estonian would be easy because I just need two breeds, but now I see I was a little wron hahah


Thanks!


PSH

Yes, I can. Depending on whether you want from scratch or not. But here's some of the easiest to breed (some will be slightly more challenging than others, but are still all defined as easy):
Abyssinian: [Arabian x North African Barb] X North African Barb
Akhal-Teke: Arabian X Turkmene
Altai: [Mongolian x Tarpan] X Tarpan
American Cream Draft: [Belgian x Shire] X Percheron
American Shetland: Hackney Pony X [Shetland Pony x Welsh Pony]
Anglo-Arabian: [Arabian x Thoroughbred] X Thoroughbred
Appendix Quarter Horse: Quarter Horse X Thoroughbred
Ardennais: Belgian X Forest Horse
Australian Draught Horse: [Clydesdale x Shire] X [Percheron x Suffolk Punch]
Baladi: Arabian X North African Barb
Bashkir: Mongolian X [Tarpan x Turkmene]
Belgian Ardennais: Ardennais X Belgian
Calabrese: [Andalusian x Arabian] X [Hackney x Thoroughbred]
Cape Horse: Java X Persian Arabian
Chikasaw: [Sorraia x Spanish Jennet] X [Spanish Barb x Thoroughbred]
Dales: Clydesdale X Fell
Darashouri: Jaf X Persian Arabian
Deliboz: [Akhal-Teke x Tersk] X [Arabian x Kabarda]
Djerma: Dongola X North African Barb
Dutch Draft: [Ardennais x Belgian Ardennais] X Belgian
Exmoor Pony: Przewalski X Tarpan
Florida Cracker: [Andalusian x Spanish Barb] X [Sorraia x Spanish Jennet]
Galician Pony: [Exmoor Pony x Sorraia] X Garrano
Giara Pony: [Arabian x North African Barb X Skyros Pony
Gotland: Konik X Tarpan
Hackney: [Arabian x Norfolk Trotter] X [Norfolk Trotter x Thoroughbred]
Iomud: [Akhal-TekeTurkmene] X [Kazakh x Turkmene]
Jaf: [Persian Arabian x Turkmene] X Tchenarani
Kabarda: [Arabian x Mongolian] X [Persian Arabian x Turkmene]
Karabair: [Arabian x Mongolian] X [Arabian x Turkmene]
Karabakh: [Akhal-Teke x Persian Arabian] X [Kabarda x Turkmene]
Kathiawari: [Arabian x Turkmene] X Baladi
Kirgiz: Turkmene X Mongolian
Mangalarga Machador: [Alter-Real x North African Barb] X [Criollo x North African Barb]
Marwari: [Arabian x Turkmene] X Kathiawari
Morab: Arabian X Morgan
Moriesian: Friesian X Morgan
National Show Horse: American Saddlebred X Arabian
New Kirgiz: [Russian Don x Thoroughbred] X Vladimir Heavy Draft
Newfoundland Pony: [Connemara x Highland Pony] X [Exmoor Pony x New Forest Pony]
Nordestino: North African Barb X Spanish Barb
Norfolk Trotter: Cleveland Bay X [Cleveland Bay x Thoroughbred]
Orlov Trotter: [Arabian x Norfolk Trotter] X [Mecklenburg x Thoroughbred]
Pahlavan: Plateau Persian X Thoroughbred
Paint: Quarter Horse X Spanish Barb
Paso Fino: Andalusian X Spanish Jennet
Percheron: [Belgian x Forest Horse] X Norman Cob
Persian Arabian: Arabian X [Arabian x Caspian]
Peruvian Paso: Andalusian X North African Barb
Pindos Pony: [Caspian x North African Barb] X Tarpan
Plateau Persian: Arabian X Persian Arabian
Pleven: [Anglo-Arabian x Gidran] X Arabian
Polish Arabian: Baladi X Shagya Arabian
Racking Horse: [American Saddlebred x Thoroughbred] X [Morgan x Standardbred]
Rhineland Heavy Draft: [Belgian x Percheron] X [Boulonnais x Clydesdale]
Russian Don: [Anglo-Arabian x Karabakh] X [Karabair x Turkmene]
Russian Trotter: Orlov Trotter X Standardbred
Salerno: Spanish Barb X Thoroughbred
Sanhe: [Akhal-Teke x Tiger Horse] X Andalusian
Sardinian: [Arabian x Giara Pony] X Thoroughbred
Sorraia: [Mongolian x Tarpan] X [Tarpan x West African Barb] <--This one is notorious. You'll either have a pair that'll do great, or a pair that'll do nothing.
South German Horse: [Holstein x Noriker] X [Norman Cob x Oldenburg]
Soviet Heavy Draft: Belgian X Percheron
Spanish Jennet: [Arabian x Sorraia] X North African Barb
Sudan Country-Bred: [Arabian x Dongola] X Thoroughbred
Sumba: Chinese Pony X Mongolian
Sumbawa: Sumba X Tarpan
Tawleed: Sudan Country-Bred X Thoroughbred
Tchenarani: Persian Arabian X Turkmene
Tersk: [Arabian x Russian Don] X Kabarda
Tibetan Pony: Chinese Pony X Mongolian
Timor Pony: [Caspian x Mongolian] X [Caspian x Tarpan]
Trait du Nord: [Ardennais x Boulonnais] X Belgian
Vladimir Heavy Draft: [Cleveland Bay x Suffolk Punch] X [Percheron x Shire]
Warlander: Andalusian X Friesian
Xilingol: [Akhal-Teke x Sanhe] X [Kabarda x Russian Don]
Yorkshire Coach Horse: Cleveland Bay X [Cleveland Bay x Thoroughbred]
Zaniskari Pony: Manipuri Pony X Tibetan Pony


**Some of them may not have very many for sale at auction, like Russian Dons, Chinese Pony and Suffolk Punches. Take that into account before tackling these. These aren't 'from scratch' (AC breeds) easy recipes; these are easy recipes for the recipe breeds stated (assuming you can get your hands on those recipe breeds).