Color breeding question

[S T A R]

Hi! I am wondering how to get a dark solid bay horse. I see them listed as studs and they are always stunning! I just never breed to them bc I am picky about stats so wondering if there's a certain color cross that will throw a bay?

Thank you!

[BlackOak2]

Hi! I am wondering how to get a dark solid bay horse. I see them listed as studs and they are always stunning! I just never breed to them bc I am picky about stats so wondering if there's a certain color cross that will throw a bay?

Thank you!

Agouti is Bay, Wild Bay and Brown.

If you want a super dark Agouti horse, one only needs to favor dark foals. They're chestnut, but it explains how we manage to get pseudo-black coats.

Start with an acceptable foundation. In my case, it was AC breeds that are chestnut and that have the sooty gene (among some other requirements), so that resulted in AC Belgians, Forest Horses and Turkmenes.

Here's some of the AC horses for examples.
Turkmene - Naturally Bright Chestnut

Belgian - Naturally Median Chestnut

Belgian - Naturally Median Chestnut

Turkmene - Dark Chestnut, likely from sooty

Forest Horse - Sooty Chestnut


And then you start breeding what you want into them. At first and with some crosses, there won't be much of a change at all and you need to expect this:
First Gen Cross

First Gen


But with some sooty genes mixed in and after even just a couple generations, you start to get horses that come out like this:
Sooty on Rump

Overall Body Darkening


And then eventually, with proper culling, you'll end up with ones like this:
Pseudo-Black Chestnut

Pseudo-Black Chestnut


The same can be used on agouti bases, like these pseudo-blacks:
Brown

Brown

Brown

Wild Bay

Bay


Do you need additional guiding toward getting bay over other colored horses?

[Oriole]

Hi!

First of all, a bay's genotype is A_ E_ with no dilutions (like cream, champagne, dun, roan etc.), where A stands for agouti and E stands for extension.

You can't get a bay from two chestnuts (... ee) or from two blacks (aa E_), you'll need at least one bay so it can pass one A and one E to its offsprings. If it has dilutions, it may be difficult to breed them out, but it is possible. For example, if you have a perlino (bay + CrCr), you can cross it with a horse without dilutions to get a buckskin (bay + one Cr) and then once again to get a bay. Some chestnuts may hide bay gene as well, so I'd suggest to cross your chestnut and black horses and see what you get.

I think you may find this guide helpful:
viewtopic.php?t=2158

I hope senior players will correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. I have this guy I can put up for stud if you want:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3289482

[sunandshadow]

Hi! I am wondering how to get a dark solid bay horse. I see them listed as studs and they are always stunning! I just never breed to them bc I am picky about stats so wondering if there's a certain color cross that will throw a bay?

Thank you!

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4405209
This is a dark bay with mealy/pangare (as far as I know). I'm willing to sell him if his stats are ok for you. If you breed him to a regular bay mare you should get some dark bays, though the rate won't be 100%. He has only one bay parent, so he's only heterozygous for it.

[S T A R]

Hi!

First of all, a bay's genotype is A_ E_ with no dilutions (like cream, champagne, dun, roan etc.), where A stands for agouti and E stands for extension.

You can't get a bay from two chestnuts (... ee) or from two blacks (aa E_), you'll need at least one bay so it can pass one A and one E to its offsprings. If it has dilutions, it may be difficult to breed them out, but it is possible. For example, if you have a perlino (bay + CrCr), you can cross it with a horse without dilutions to get a buckskin (bay + one Cr) and then once again to get a bay. Some chestnuts may hide bay gene as well, so I'd suggest to cross your chestnut and black horses and see what you get.

I think you may find this guide helpful:
viewtopic.php?t=2158

I hope senior players will correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. I have this guy I can put up for stud if you want:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3289482

Ok! Thank you so much!! I think i'm set stud wise, but thank you!! Trying to stick to pure thoroughbreds lol I just bought 2 bay studs which hopefully can also help with my results!!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2473910

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3345191

[S T A R]

Hi! I am wondering how to get a dark solid bay horse. I see them listed as studs and they are always stunning! I just never breed to them bc I am picky about stats so wondering if there's a certain color cross that will throw a bay?

Thank you!

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4405209
This is a dark bay with mealy/pangare (as far as I know). I'm willing to sell him if his stats are ok for you. If you breed him to a regular bay mare you should get some dark bays, though the rate won't be 100%. He has only one bay parent, so he's only heterozygous for it.

Hi! He's beautiful!!! I only breed thoroughbreds and chincoteague so I think I will have to pass!

[sunandshadow]

Hi!

First of all, a bay's genotype is A_ E_ with no dilutions (like cream, champagne, dun, roan etc.), where A stands for agouti and E stands for extension.

You can't get a bay from two chestnuts (... ee) or from two blacks (aa E_), you'll need at least one bay so it can pass one A and one E to its offsprings. If it has dilutions, it may be difficult to breed them out, but it is possible. For example, if you have a perlino (bay + CrCr), you can cross it with a horse without dilutions to get a buckskin (bay + one Cr) and then once again to get a bay. Some chestnuts may hide bay gene as well, so I'd suggest to cross your chestnut and black horses and see what you get.

I think you may find this guide helpful:
viewtopic.php?t=2158

I hope senior players will correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. I have this guy I can put up for stud if you want:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3289482

Ok! Thank you so much!! I think i'm set stud wise, but thank you!! Trying to stick to pure thoroughbreds lol I just bought 2 bay studs which hopefully can also help with my results!!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2473910

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3345191

Two studs is good, though I'm not actually sure Celestial us a bay, his foal coat was so light...

I saw a thoroughbred dark bay for sale today in the sales forum:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4071112

[S T A R]

Ok! Thank you so much!! I think i'm set stud wise, but thank you!! Trying to stick to pure thoroughbreds lol I just bought 2 bay studs which hopefully can also help with my results!!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2473910

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3345191

Two studs is good, though I'm not actually sure Celestial us a bay, his foal coat was so light...

I saw a thoroughbred dark bay for sale today in the sales forum:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4071112

Thank you! I just bred a bay that turned out stunning! https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4454805

[sunandshadow]

Two studs is good, though I'm not actually sure Celestial us a bay, his foal coat was so light...

I saw a thoroughbred dark bay for sale today in the sales forum:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4071112

Thank you! I just bred a bay that turned out stunning! https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4454805

Beautiful! A horse like that which had patches or spots would be something I'd cover for my own breeding program

[S T A R]

Thank you! I just bred a bay that turned out stunning! https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4454805

Beautiful! A horse like that which had patches or spots would be something I'd cover for my own breeding program

Is feathers a requirement? I have a few that will have spots that I could sell!! Otherwise I can breed arabella to a stud of your choosing