Greenish?

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I'm still curious about that other horse I posted about earlier (the pinkish one) but I have another weird one in the meantime.

I'm wondering what exactly is giving this filly such a "greenish" hue compared to her relatives. As far as I know, the genes that have shown up have been a lot of chestnut, a cream here and there, dun, flaxen, a lot of grey... so I'm not exactly sure if this is the fault of one of these, or a gene I haven't noticed (maybe because of all the grey.)

Aside from dun (and flaxen?) my best guess is... maybe a dose of cream is causing it?? With sooty maybe?? I can't think of having seen this before, so I have nothing to compare to. Any help would be great, haha.




And for comparison, this is her much redder brother:

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I'm still curious about that other horse I posted about earlier (the pinkish one) but I have another weird one in the meantime.

I'm wondering what exactly is giving this filly such a "greenish" hue compared to her relatives. As far as I know, the genes that have shown up have been a lot of chestnut, a cream here and there, dun, flaxen, a lot of grey... so I'm not exactly sure if this is the fault of one of these, or a gene I haven't noticed (maybe because of all the grey.)

Aside from dun (and flaxen?) my best guess is... maybe a dose of cream is causing it?? With sooty maybe?? I can't think of having seen this before, so I have nothing to compare to. Any help would be great, haha.

From the looks of it Retched Nothing is actually a Silver Grullo (Ee + aa + Zz + ?f + Dd). The silver has probably been hidden for awhile in her Sires bloodline since they appear to be a major of Chestnuts. She doesn't appear to have any cream since her foal coat appears brown and not grey like a single cream on black will cause nor do her parents carry cream.

Dun though can definitely cause a green tone on horses. Here are some more extreme examples.
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Mare

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From the looks of it Retched Nothing is actually a Silver Grullo (Ee + aa + Zz + ?f + Dd). The silver has probably been hidden for awhile in her Sires bloodline since they appear to be a major of Chestnuts. She doesn't appear to have any cream since her foal coat appears brown and not grey like a single cream on black will cause nor do her parents carry cream.
Dun though can definitely cause a green tone on horses. Here are some more extreme examples.

Omg silver... That possibility hadn't even occurred to me. I hardly *ever* have silver floating around with the hoses I've worked with, so I am not used to it at all.

Out of curiosity, what are the genes of the girl you have posted? I wouldn't know what to call her either.

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Out of curiosity, what are the genes of the girl you have posted? I wouldn't know what to call her either.

She's a bit of an oddball to be honest She's descended from my pseudo-grey lines (sooty pink chestnuts that appear grey) which branch out of my Pink lines, so I'm not a 100% sure what's going on with her. I can tell you even though she doesn't look it she is a Chestnut with very strong Dun and no Pangare visible but definitely some sooty from her Grandsire. So basically ee + ? + D?

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She's a bit of an oddball to be honest She's descended from my pseudo-grey lines (sooty pink chestnuts that appear grey) which branch out of my Pink lines, so I'm not a 100% sure what's going on with her. I can tell you even though she doesn't look it she is a Chestnut with very strong Dun and no Pangare visible but definitely some sooty from her Grandsire. So basically ee + ? + D?

...Man. That's so freakin' weird. It's like those pseudo-grays are glitched without being glitched. I can't wait for genetic testing because some of these mysteries are going to haunt me until they're solved, haha.

And by "strong dun" do you mean like dun where the body mask part of it is really powerful? Do some AC horses have that level of dun, or is it one of those little gene quirks that seem to have to "build up" over multiple generations to show up that strongly?

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...Man. That's so freakin' weird. It's like those pseudo-grays are glitched without being glitched. I can't wait for genetic testing because some of these mysteries are going to haunt me until they're solved, haha.

Lol Trust me I completely understand my freezer account has been taken over by these oddities. I'm super excited for the genetic testing myself but I have a feeling it'll only tell us if something is actually present such as Dun or Pangare. The specific combination that causes these might be something we never have a definite answer to.

By the way I took a look at your stallions/colts and Refreshing Rain was actually pink as a foal so you might want to try him with Fancy Doubts? That is if your wanting to produce more pinks in your herd I don't know if your trying to keep them closer to breed standards or not.

And by "strong dun" do you mean like dun where the body mask part of it is really powerful? Do some AC horses have that level of dun, or is it one of those little gene quirks that seem to have to "build up" over multiple generations to show up that strongly?

On Duns you can sometimes have a faint green tint to the horses, so by strong I'm referring to the strong green color she has. She does show the normal darker legs and a very faint dun marking on her neck, but her mane has since grown too long to see it. So the only thing I know for sure is she isn't cryptic. I can't say whether or not this is caused by a "build up" from my inbreeding or thanks to the outcrossing that happened recently and I just happened to get the "right" combination of genes.

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By the way I took a look at your stallions/colts and Refreshing Rain was actually pink as a foal so you might want to try him with Fancy Doubts? That is if your wanting to produce more pinks in your herd I don't know if your trying to keep them closer to breed standards or not.

Oho! I am trying to get them closer to standard... but I won't be able to resist trying one crossing of those two (as soon as I have room) just to see if pink happens again.

On Duns you can sometimes have a faint green tint to the horses, so by strong I'm referring to the strong green color she has.

Oh, gotcha. I might throw her at another black horse to see if the silver and dun passes on, and see if the kid ends up just as green as she is.

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Oho! I am trying to get them closer to standard... but I won't be able to resist trying one crossing of those two (as soon as I have room) just to see if pink happens again.

Oh, gotcha. I might throw her at another black horse to see if the silver and dun passes on, and see if the kid ends up just as green as she is.

Lol the experimenting can become a rabbit hole

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By the way I took a look at your stallions/colts and Refreshing Rain was actually pink as a foal so you might want to try him with Fancy Doubts? That is if your wanting to produce more pinks in your herd I don't know if your trying to keep them closer to breed standards or not.

Oho! I am trying to get them closer to standard... but I won't be able to resist trying one crossing of those two (as soon as I have room) just to see if pink happens again.

For the 'pink' lines - they have a chestnut base with flaxen (otherwise the manes and lower legs wouldn't be that silverish off-shade); the evenly pale body is definitly caused by dun (there's a clearly visible line running along the spine)
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1748350 with some dun and flaxen you get the 'pink'/grayish/pale body and offset-legs

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1603995] with flaxen and pangaré you get the paler mane (sometimes even fully white) and lightened areas on the face, body and legs - pangaré also has that curious ability to also darken other areas if the shift is more directional rather than evenly spread.

Dun in general has some spectacular ranges and can cause those cool primal stripes especially if you look at tarpan duns - for the primal stripes - or przewalkies for the nearly full body stark coverage and ofted added pangaré.

On Duns you can sometimes have a faint green tint to the horses, so by strong I'm referring to the strong green color she has.

Oh, gotcha. I might throw her at another black horse to see if the silver and dun passes on, and see if the kid ends up just as green as she is.

The greenish tint is very normal for Silver Grullos - their shading usually carries over as long as you keep to a black base, dun (very easily to recognize if theres a faint line across their spine that keeps to the original colour) and Silver is a dominant gene, so even if its only your mare that has it there's a 50% chance to get it.
I've made a guide for expressions of black in combination with other genes, so maybe it'll be of help to you:
viewtopic.php?t=19942
If you guys want me to try my hand at identifying some of the geno-types of your horses feel free to quote me