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Coda Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:01 am Posts: 1617

What colour

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Hi there
Can someone please help me, what colour is my mare and how did i get the colour
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3303909
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AltNazarach Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sun May 27, 2018 12:13 am Posts: 259

Re: What colour

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Coda wrote:Hi there
Can someone please help me, what colour is my mare and how did i get the colour
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3303909
Hi ^^
She is a Silver Smoky Blue Pearl Roan - meaning a black base with:
- one Cream gene, one pearl that result in her light color and blue eyes (I'd go for Cr/prl cause her color is not quite as light as a double cream - at least imo) - the Cream from the dam - indicated by her bright blue tiger eyes, the sire is a toss-up, might also be Cr/prl;
- Roan from the sire (see these tiny, visible, white hears);
- at least one Silver.
- Also, a hidden tiger eye from the dams side.

What I'm not entirely sure about, but am liable to think is that she most probably also has some kind of To - not quite sure if she has tiny socks - or ones that just cover her feathers - or only the switch for To (i'm pretty sure with parents that far covered and seeing as they have a lineage of To carriers she is quite likely to carry one as well).
Silverine wrote: better asking an experts opinion here regarding the To :3
Her gen-coding would most likely be something along the lines of:
E_ a/a Cr/prl Rn/n Z_ t/N
or:
E_ a/a Cr/prl Rn/To Z_ t/N
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Coda Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:01 am Posts: 1617

Re: What colour

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AltNazarach wrote:
Coda wrote:Hi there
Can someone please help me, what colour is my mare and how did i get the colour
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3303909
Hi ^^
She is a Silver Smoky Blue Pearl Roan - meaning a black base with:
- one Cream gene, one pearl that result in her light color and blue eyes (I'd go for Cr/prl cause her color is not quite as light as a double cream - at least imo) - the Cream from the dam - indicated by her bright blue tiger eyes, the sire is a toss-up, might also be Cr/prl;
- Roan from the sire (see these tiny, visible, white hears);
- at least one Silver.
- Also, a hidden tiger eye from the dams side.

What I'm not entirely sure about, but am liable to think is that she most probably also has some kind of To - not quite sure if she has tiny socks - or ones that just cover her feathers - or only the switch for To (i'm pretty sure with parents that far covered and seeing as they have a lineage of To carriers she is quite likely to carry one as well).
Silverine wrote: better asking an experts opinion here regarding the To :3
Her gen-coding would most likely be something along the lines of:
E_ a/a Cr/prl Rn/n Z_ t/N
or:
E_ a/a Cr/prl Rn/To Z_ t/N
Thank you. Would be able to tell me what colour this mare is https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3317905 i have never seen her colour before
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AltNazarach Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sun May 27, 2018 12:13 am Posts: 259

Re: What colour

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Coda wrote: Thank you. Would be able to tell me what colour this mare is https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3317905 i have never seen her colour before
Always happy to help :)
She is a hard one... My best guess would be Silver Brown Cream Champagne with Tobiano.

- her foal pic is definitly too mealy for a black base and her sire was a Perlino champagne (most likely with A/At Agouti) so Brown would be my go (sire could give either Agouti for Bay or Brown)
- the 0year foal pic is somewhat off shade for a Brown but after shedding it she is really light for a Bay (might be the silver) - and Brown tripple dilute is the only coat that comes closest to Black based tripple dillutes, so it could go either way (easiest might be to breed her to a black and look what she drops - the dam was black, so apart from black, Rosemary can only drop her own agouti expression).
- Freckles + pink skin clearly indicate Champagne
- her light, nearly white coat + the lightness of her freckles indicate her being double cream in addition to her champagne
- She has really bright mane and legs, 'normal' tripple dillute would have a more greyish shade, so she got the Sires silver
- her dam has expressed Tiger Eyes (in blue) so looking at RfM she gave one cream and a hidden Tiger Eye - seeing RfMs grey eyes she can only have one Tiger Eye cause else she'd have bright blue/turquiose eyes
- the bright white socks are caused by Tobiano

So, her gen-coding would most likely be something like
E_ At/a Ch/n Cr/Cr Z/n To/n t/N

Hope the explanation helps ;) She is a lovely horse <3
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Coda Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:01 am Posts: 1617

Re: What colour

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AltNazarach wrote:
Coda wrote: Thank you. Would be able to tell me what colour this mare is https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3317905 i have never seen her colour before
Always happy to help :)
She is a hard one... My best guess would be Silver Brown Cream Champagne with Tobiano.

- her foal pic is definitly too mealy for a black base and her sire was a Perlino champagne (most likely with A/At Agouti) so Brown would be my go (sire could give either Agouti for Bay or Brown)
- the 0year foal pic is somewhat off shade for a Brown but after shedding it she is really light for a Bay (might be the silver) - and Brown tripple dilute is the only coat that comes closest to Black based tripple dillutes, so it could go either way (easiest might be to breed her to a black and look what she drops - the dam was black, so apart from black, Rosemary can only drop her own agouti expression).
- Freckles + pink skin clearly indicate Champagne
- her light, nearly white coat + the lightness of her freckles indicate her being double cream in addition to her champagne
- She has really bright mane and legs, 'normal' tripple dillute would have a more greyish shade, so she got the Sires silver
- her dam has expressed Tiger Eyes (in blue) so looking at RfM she gave one cream and a hidden Tiger Eye - seeing RfMs grey eyes she can only have one Tiger Eye cause else she'd have bright blue/turquiose eyes
- the bright white socks are caused by Tobiano

So, her gen-coding would most likely be something like
E_ At/a Ch/n Cr/Cr Z/n To/n t/N

Hope the explanation helps ;) She is a lovely horse <3
Thank you so much
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Coda Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:01 am Posts: 1617

Re: What colour

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AltNazarach wrote:
Coda wrote: Thank you. Would be able to tell me what colour this mare is https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3317905 i have never seen her colour before
Always happy to help :)
She is a hard one... My best guess would be Silver Brown Cream Champagne with Tobiano.

- her foal pic is definitly too mealy for a black base and her sire was a Perlino champagne (most likely with A/At Agouti) so Brown would be my go (sire could give either Agouti for Bay or Brown)
- the 0year foal pic is somewhat off shade for a Brown but after shedding it she is really light for a Bay (might be the silver) - and Brown tripple dilute is the only coat that comes closest to Black based tripple dillutes, so it could go either way (easiest might be to breed her to a black and look what she drops - the dam was black, so apart from black, Rosemary can only drop her own agouti expression).
- Freckles + pink skin clearly indicate Champagne
- her light, nearly white coat + the lightness of her freckles indicate her being double cream in addition to her champagne
- She has really bright mane and legs, 'normal' tripple dillute would have a more greyish shade, so she got the Sires silver
- her dam has expressed Tiger Eyes (in blue) so looking at RfM she gave one cream and a hidden Tiger Eye - seeing RfMs grey eyes she can only have one Tiger Eye cause else she'd have bright blue/turquiose eyes
- the bright white socks are caused by Tobiano

So, her gen-coding would most likely be something like
E_ At/a Ch/n Cr/Cr Z/n To/n t/N

Hope the explanation helps ;) She is a lovely horse <3
Hey
Sorry to be annoying again but are you able to help me out with her colour and how to do you think i could her colouring
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3325075
She is a fully blooded sister to https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3317905
So it has left me a bit confused
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Re: What colour

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AltNazarach wrote:
Coda wrote:
Hey guys, sorry to jump in so late!

The first horse (Wild Spear) is actually Silver Brown Cream Roan - brown + silver + roan + 2x cream. If you look closely she has the lightening around her nostrils characteristic of a brown base, though it has darkened with age. Her gallery pics at 4 years and 0.5 years show it better. I don't see an tobiano on her, the feathering is just matching her mane and tail color. As for why she's a double cream rather than a cream/pearl - she's actually too dark. :lol: The cream/pearls are actually lighter than the double creams in this case. She's also too brown with not enough orange. (Which is weird to say because brown is technically just dark orange... hm.)

I thought I had some brown examples but they got lost, so here are black examples:
Smoky Cream (black + 2x cream)
Image

Smoky Black Pearl (black + cream/pearl)
Image

I agree with the assessment on The Rosemary for Moonbeam. As for her sister, Misty Sand: she is a Brown Cream with appaloosa spotting and varnish. So compared together, Rosemary has champagne and silver where Misty does not. Misty has Lp where Rosemary does not.
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AltNazarach Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sun May 27, 2018 12:13 am Posts: 259

Re: What colour

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Silverine wrote:
Hey guys, sorry to jump in so late!

The first horse (Wild Spear) is actually Silver Brown Cream Roan - brown + silver + roan + 2x cream. If you look closely she has the lightening around her nostrils characteristic of a brown base, though it has darkened with age. Her gallery pics at 4 years and 0.5 years show it better. I don't see an tobiano on her, the feathering is just matching her mane and tail color. As for why she's a double cream rather than a cream/pearl - she's actually too dark. :lol: The cream/pearls are actually lighter than the double creams in this case. She's also too brown with not enough orange. (Which is weird to say because brown is technically just dark orange... hm.)
Darn, i really have to consider brown a lot more ^^' in regards to the cream vs cr/prl seeing the images in comparison is really helpfull :) Many thanks for your explanations :D

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