Some kind of champagne color?

[BeWanted]

So my mare, a cremello champagne, gave birth to this colt: http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/117283
and I have yet to decide which color he is... I'm guessing it's some kind of champagne, but I just can't find any horse that looks like him, he's a lot darker and more golden than other horses I've seen of champagne :/ Help please?

[Totina]

He is gold champagne (champagne on a chestnut base).

[Nate]

This also means your mare isn't cremello champagne. If I had to guess i would say she's a cream champagne, only one copy of cream.

[BeWanted]

Thank you, That looks just like him But how can't the mare be cremello champagne? Byt looking at other photos it looks exactly like her too.. how do you see which color it is?

[nyraeia]

Thank you, That looks just like him But how can't the mare be cremello champagne? Byt looking at other photos it looks exactly like her too.. how do you see which color it is?

Okay, imagine the cream gene as a little bag. The bag has two small balls in it. On each of these balls is written eiter "yes" or "no". So a bag can contain yes+yes, yes+no and no+no, correct?

When a foal is sired, one ball is randomly taken out of the dam's bag, copied, and put into the foal's. The same happens with the sire's "bag".

So a cremello has two "yes" in his cream "bag" (that's why they're called double dilute). Therefore, when a cremello sires a foal, the foal can get either a "yes" or "yes" from a cremello parent.

Your horse is gold champagne. Gold champagne has two "no" for Cream. So neither of your horse's parents can be a cremello or your horse would have at least one "yes" for Cream.

P.S.: I'm guessing your mare is a light amber cream plus Silver (which makes the mane and tail of black-based horses lighter), so silver amber cream.

[Syn]

I bred the mare in question. She is a gold cream. The biggest tell is that she has dark eyes. Cremellos will always, always have light eyes.

Her dam is a chestnut so she can't possibly have gotten a cream gene from her. Her sire is an amber cream champagne. His sire is a plain old bay, his dam was an amber cream champagne as well. His dam's parents were buckskin and amber champagne (no cream). There is no silver in that bloodline.

I also own her palomino hackney pony son and her hackney/fell daughter who could be either gold cream + tiger eye or cremello champagne with or without tiger eye, both by the same perlino stallion. The palomino son inherited a non-cream gene from her.

So, yeah. Colt is amber champagne, his dam is gold cream. The filly is amber cream.