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Infinity Stables Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:39 am Posts: 124
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Is this a glitch coat?!

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How on earth did a solid dark grey mixed with a solid black create a tobino dark chestnut or bay?!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810698
okay so I checked, and it's hard to tell the color at the moment, I think it's a black, but she has the exact same tobino markings!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810702
As far as I can tell, there's no tobino in either of the horse's pedigree, though they are related. I want to breed solid black horses, will there foals be tobinos too?
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Re: Is this a glitch coat?!

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Infinity Stables wrote:How on earth did a solid dark grey mixed with a solid black create a tobino dark chestnut or bay?!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810698
okay so I checked, and it's hard to tell the color at the moment, I think it's a black, but she has the exact same tobino markings!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810702
As far as I can tell, there's no tobino in either of the horse's pedigree, though they are related. I want to breed solid black horses, will there foals be tobinos too?
I believe it came from her mothers white stockings and her fathers greying gene.


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Ivy Stables Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:46 pm Posts: 1233

Re: Is this a glitch coat?!

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Cookie_Girl wrote:
Infinity Stables wrote:How on earth did a solid dark grey mixed with a solid black create a tobino dark chestnut or bay?!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810698
okay so I checked, and it's hard to tell the color at the moment, I think it's a black, but she has the exact same tobino markings!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810702
As far as I can tell, there's no tobino in either of the horse's pedigree, though they are related. I want to breed solid black horses, will there foals be tobinos too?
I believe it came from her mothers white stockings and her fathers greying gene.


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the sire didn't have a greying gene though. . .
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Re: Is this a glitch coat?!

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Infinity Stables wrote:How on earth did a solid dark grey mixed with a solid black create a tobino dark chestnut or bay?!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810698
okay so I checked, and it's hard to tell the color at the moment, I think it's a black, but she has the exact same tobino markings!
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810702
As far as I can tell, there's no tobino in either of the horse's pedigree, though they are related. I want to breed solid black horses, will there foals be tobinos too?
Cookie_Girl did hit on the key factor.

All markings (socks, stars, painted coats) right now are all directly from the Tobaino gene. So if your horse has even an anklet, it is definitely a carrier of Tobiano. Also, tobiano works off of a similar style as leopard complex, insofar as it needs both the switch and the patterning genes to show up. So two solid horses, one that has the switch but no patterning genes and the other that has the patterning genes but no switch, can produce a foal with quite blatantly obvious markings.
So to produce entirely solid horses, you'll simply have to keep culling any foals that pop with markings.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2810698 - this horse is a pseudo-colored horse, in this case, he can be considered a 'black-chestnut' although more often, on this game, it's referred to as a pseudo-black. He is a chestnut that is very heavily influenced by the sooty gene, causing him to appear instead black in color. Chestnut is recessive so we understand that he has TWO chestnut genes. His loud butt markings don't appear to come from either the sire or the dame, but that's because there are little pedigree images and many of the horses are already deceased. So tracking down where it might originate is difficult. However, since this colt's sire is also his damsire, it appears most likely to have come from that line. The build up of patterning genes exploded onto his coat.

Now... both parents are black (one a grullo, which is dun paired with black). To produce a chestnut horse from two black horses, both black horses must be hetrozygous for extension, which just means they both have only one black gene. E/e. Therefore, they each passed on the recessive red gene: e/e making a red foal.

Oh, and no gray. The graying gene is a horse that turns from base color to solid gray. :mrgreen:
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