Sorting the Breeds Wiki

[Totina]

The breeds wiki has four categories of horses but a majority of the breeds are listed in the light breed section despite being draft horses or ponies. I have gone through all the breeds and tried to put them in the right categories using the little information there is on this website (mainly height) in the breeds wiki and some research on other pages link1, link2 and link3.

Light Breeds	Draft Breeds	Pony Breeds	Wild Breeds
Abyssinian Aegidienberger Akhal-Teke Alter-Real American Creme and White American Saddlebred American Warmblood Andalusian Anglo-Arabian Anglo-Kabarda Anglo-Norman Appaloosa Appendix Quarter Horse Arabian Arappaloosa Australian Stock Horse Austrian Warmblood Azteca Baladi Balearic Baluchi Bashkir Bashkir Curly Bavarian Warmblood Beberbeck Belgian Warmblood Boerperd Brandenburger Budyonny Calabrese Calvinia Horse Camarillo White Horse Campolina Canadian Horse Canadian Pacer Canadian Warmblood Cape Horse Carthusian Choctaw Indian Horse Cleveland Bay Colorado Ranger Criollo Danish Warmblood Darashouri Deliboz Djerma Dongola Dutch Harness Dutch Warmblood East Bulgarian East Friesian Einsiedler Finnish Universal Fleuva Florida Cracker Fouta Frederiksborg Freiberg French Anglo-Arab French Trotter Frencher Friesian Furioso Gelderlander Gidran Groningen Hackney Hanoverian Hessian Warmblood Hispano Arabian Holstein Hungarian Warmblood Indianbred Iomud Irish Sport Horse Jaf Kabarda Karabair Karabakh Karachia Kathiawari Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse Kiger Mustang Kisber Felver Kladruby Knabstrupper Kushum Kustanai Latvian Riding Horse Limousin Lipizzaner Lokai Lusitano Malopolski Mangalarga Machador Mangalarga Paulista Maremana Marwari Masuren Mecklenburg Missouri Fox Trotter Morab Morgan Moriesian Murakosi Murgese Mustang Narragansett Pacer National Show Horse Navarrin Horse New Kirgiz Nonius Norfolk Trotter North African Barb Oldenburg Orlov Trotter Pahlavan Paint Pantaneiro Paso Fino Persian Arabian Peruvian Paso Pintabian Plateau Persian Pleven Polish Arabian Pozan Quarab Quarter Horse Racking Horse Rhinelander Rocky Mountain Pony Russian Don Russian Trotter Salerno San Fratellano Sanhe Sella Italiano Selle Francais Shagya Arabian Spanish Barb Spanish Jennet Spanish Mustang Spanish-Norman Spotted Saddle Horse Standardbred Sudan Country-Bred Swedish Warmblood Tawleed Tchenarani Tennessee Walking Horse Tersk Thoroughbred Tiger Horse Toric Trakehner Turkmene Ukrainian Saddle Vlaamperd Waler Walkaloosa Warlander West African Barb Westphalian Wielkopolski Württemburger Xilingol Yorkshire Coach Horse	Abtenauer American Cream Draft Andravida Araboulonnais Ardennais Australian Draught Horse Austrian Pinzgauer Auvergne Ban-ei Belgian Belgian Ardennais Black Forest Boulonnais Breton Byelorussian Harness Horse Clydesdale Comtois Dole Gudbrandsdal Dole Trotter Dutch Draft Finnish Draft Gypsy Vanner Irish Draught Italian Heavy Draft Jutland Latvian Harness Horse Latvian Heavy Draft Lithuanian Heavy Draft Noriker Norman Cob North Swedish Horse North Swedish Trotter Norwegian Fjord Percheron Poitevin Rhineland Heavy Draft Russian Heavy Draft Schleswiger Heavy Draft Shire Sokolsky South German Horse Soviet Heavy Draft St. Lawrence Suffolk Punch Swedish Ardennais Trait du Nord Vladimir Heavy Draft	Albanian Altai American Shetland American Walking Pony Anadolu Pony Arenberg-Nordkirchen Ariegeois Asturcon Australian Pony Avelignese Bali Bardigiano Basotho Pony Batak Bhutia Bosnian Pony Burma Pony Camargue Caspian Cayuse Indian Pony Cheju Chickasaw Chilean Corralero Chincoteague Chinese Guoxia Chinese Pony Connemara Dales Dartmoor Deli Dulmen Eriskay Pony Esperia Pony Estonian Native Exmoor Pony Faeroes Pony Falabella Fell Flores Pony Galiceno Galician Pony Galloway Garrano Giara Pony Gotland Hackney Pony Haflinger Hequ Highland Pony Hokkaido Hucul Icelandic Pony Indian Country Bred Java Kazakh Kerry Bog Pony Kirgiz Kiso Konik Landais Losino Lundy Manipuri Pony M'Bayar Merens Pony Miniature Misaki Pony Miyako Pony Mongolian New Forest Pony Newfoundland Pony Nigerian Noma Pony Nooitgedacht Pony Nordestino Northlands Ob Pindos Pony Pinia Poney Francais de Selle Poney Mousseye Pony of the Americas Quarter Pony Riwoche Sable Island Pony Sandalwood Shetland Pony Skyros Pony Sorraia Spiti Sumba Sumbawa Taishuh Horse Tibetan Pony Timor Pony Tokara Welara Pony Welsh Cob Welsh Pony Welsh Pony of Cob Type Wesh Mountain Pony Western Sudan Pony Vyatka Yakut Yanqi Yili Yonaguni Pony Zaniskari Pony Zhemaichu	Abaco Barb Aenos Australian Brumby Banker Coffin Bay Ponies Danube Forest Horse Kaimanawa Pottock Przewalski Horse Riwoche Sardinian Tarpan

When I did my research I also noticed that some breeds here might need a slight update.
• Fleuva: The correct spelling according to the my sources is Fleuve.
• Hispano Arabian: Correct name according to the sources would be Hispano-Arabe.
• Holstein: Correct name is Holsteiner.
• Karachia: Could not find this breed. Maybe it's supposed to be Karachay/Karachai?
• Malopolski: Here its height is 10.3 to 13.0 hh. According to the sources I found it's not a pony so it should be a bit taller than that.
• Maremana: Correct spelling Maremmana (and also Maremmano).
• Pozan: Correct spelling is Poznan.
• Rhinelander: I think it's more known as Rhenish Warmblood.
• Rocky Mountain Pony: More known as Rocky Mountain Horse (not pony).
• San Fratellano: Mostly called Sanfratellano (one word) when searching for this breed.
• South German Horse: Mostly called South German Coldblood.
• Ariegeois: According to many sources this is just an older name for the Merens Pony so both these "breeds" should be the same unless I missed some details in the history of the breed.
• Hokkaido: Seems to also be called Dosanko Horse. Not sure which one is the most common but just a note about it.
• Hucul: Also called Carpathian Pony but just as the one above, not sure which one is the most common name used for this breed.
• Icelandic Pony: Is usually called Icelandic Horse (even though it's a pony).
• Ob: Ob Pony (or Priob). The sources I found says it's a pony so it's a bit too tall in the breeds wiki.
• Western Sudan Pony: A bit too tall in the breeds wiki.
• Pottock: Usually spelled Pottok.
• Aenos: It's spelled Ainos according to my sources.

And some other breeds have alternative names that seem to be used more often today than what they are called here in the breeds wiki. Nothing major that's incorrect and I guess there are plans to update the breeds wiki with more details at some point in the future.

Do as you wish with my comments here, I just thought I'd try to sort things out a bit and might post it in the guides section of the forum instead, along with another side project I'm working on considering the breeds wiki.

[AHorseandPonyLover]

The breeds wiki has four categories of horses but a majority of the breeds are listed in the light breed section despite being draft horses or ponies. I have gone through all the breeds and tried to put them in the right categories using the little information there is on this website (mainly height) in the breeds wiki and some research on other pages link1, link2 and link3.

Light Breeds	Draft Breeds	Pony Breeds	Wild Breeds
Abyssinian Aegidienberger Akhal-Teke Alter-Real American Creme and White American Saddlebred American Warmblood Andalusian Anglo-Arabian Anglo-Kabarda Anglo-Norman Appaloosa Appendix Quarter Horse Arabian Arappaloosa Australian Stock Horse Austrian Warmblood Azteca Baladi Balearic Baluchi Bashkir Bashkir Curly Bavarian Warmblood Beberbeck Belgian Warmblood Boerperd Brandenburger Budyonny Calabrese Calvinia Horse Camarillo White Horse Campolina Canadian Horse Canadian Pacer Canadian Warmblood Cape Horse Carthusian Choctaw Indian Horse Cleveland Bay Colorado Ranger Criollo Danish Warmblood Darashouri Deliboz Djerma Dongola Dutch Harness Dutch Warmblood East Bulgarian East Friesian Einsiedler Finnish Universal Fleuva Florida Cracker Fouta Frederiksborg Freiberg French Anglo-Arab French Trotter Frencher Friesian Furioso Gelderlander Gidran Groningen Hackney Hanoverian Hessian Warmblood Hispano Arabian Holstein Hungarian Warmblood Indianbred Iomud Irish Sport Horse Jaf Kabarda Karabair Karabakh Karachia Kathiawari Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse Kiger Mustang Kisber Felver Kladruby Knabstrupper Kushum Kustanai Latvian Riding Horse Limousin Lipizzaner Lokai Lusitano Malopolski Mangalarga Machador Mangalarga Paulista Maremana Marwari Masuren Mecklenburg Missouri Fox Trotter Morab Morgan Moriesian Murakosi Murgese Mustang Narragansett Pacer National Show Horse Navarrin Horse New Kirgiz Nonius Norfolk Trotter North African Barb Oldenburg Orlov Trotter Pahlavan Paint Pantaneiro Paso Fino Persian Arabian Peruvian Paso Pintabian Plateau Persian Pleven Polish Arabian Pozan Quarab Quarter Horse Racking Horse Rhinelander Rocky Mountain Pony Russian Don Russian Trotter Salerno San Fratellano Sanhe Sella Italiano Selle Francais Shagya Arabian Spanish Barb Spanish Jennet Spanish Mustang Spanish-Norman Spotted Saddle Horse Standardbred Sudan Country-Bred Swedish Warmblood Tawleed Tchenarani Tennessee Walking Horse Tersk Thoroughbred Tiger Horse Toric Trakehner Turkmene Ukrainian Saddle Vlaamperd Waler Walkaloosa Warlander West African Barb Westphalian Wielkopolski Württemburger Xilingol Yorkshire Coach Horse	Abtenauer American Cream Draft Andravida Araboulonnais Ardennais Australian Draught Horse Austrian Pinzgauer Auvergne Ban-ei Belgian Belgian Ardennais Black Forest Boulonnais Breton Byelorussian Harness Horse Clydesdale Comtois Dole Gudbrandsdal Dole Trotter Dutch Draft Finnish Draft Gypsy Vanner Irish Draught Italian Heavy Draft Jutland Latvian Harness Horse Latvian Heavy Draft Lithuanian Heavy Draft Noriker Norman Cob North Swedish Horse North Swedish Trotter Percheron Poitevin Rhineland Heavy Draft Russian Heavy Draft Schleswiger Heavy Draft Shire Sokolsky South German Horse Soviet Heavy Draft St. Lawrence Suffolk Punch Swedish Ardennais Trait du Nord Vladimir Heavy Draft	Albanian Altai American Shetland American Walking Pony Anadolu Pony Arenberg-Nordkirchen Ariegeois Asturcon Australian Pony Avelignese Bali Bardigiano Basotho Pony Batak Bhutia Bosnian Pony Burma Pony Camargue Caspian Cayuse Indian Pony Cheju Chickasaw Chilean Corralero Chincoteague Chinese Guoxia Chinese Pony Connemara Dales Dartmoor Deli Dulmen Eriskay Pony Esperia Pony Estonian Native Exmoor Pony Faeroes Pony Falabella Fell Flores Pony Galiceno Galician Pony Galloway Garrano Giara Pony Gotland Hackney Pony Haflinger Hequ Highland Pony Hokkaido Hucul Icelandic Pony Indian Country Bred Java Kazakh Kerry Bog Pony Kirgiz Kiso Konik Landais Losino Lundy Manipuri Pony M'Bayar Merens Pony Miniature Misaki Pony Miyako Pony Mongolian New Forest Pony Newfoundland Pony Nigerian Noma Pony Nooitgedacht Pony Nordestino Northlands Norwegian Fjord Ob Pindos Pony Pinia Poney Francais de Selle Poney Mousseye Pony of the Americas Quarter Pony Riwoche Sable Island Pony Sandalwood Shetland Pony Skyros Pony Sorraia Spiti Sumba Sumbawa Taishuh Horse Tibetan Pony Timor Pony Tokara Welara Pony Welsh Cob Welsh Pony Welsh Pony of Cob Type Wesh Mountain Pony Western Sudan Pony Vyatka Yakut Yanqi Yili Yonaguni Pony Zaniskari Pony Zhemaichu	Abaco Barb Aenos Australian Brumby Banker Coffin Bay Ponies Danube Forest Horse Kaimanawa Pottock Przewalski Horse Riwoche Sardinian Tarpan

When I did my research I also noticed that some breeds here might need a slight update.
• Fleuva: The correct spelling according to the my sources is Fleuve.
• Frencher: Could not find any information about a breed called Frencher. Might need a look at if some other breed was intended here with different name.
• Hispano Arabian: Correct name according to the sources would be Hispano-Arabe.
• Holstein: Correct name is Holsteiner.
• Karachia: Could not find this breed. Maybe it's supposed to be Karachay/Karachai?
• Malopolski: Here its height is 10.3 to 13.0 hh. According to the sources I found it's not a pony so it should be a bit taller than that.
• Maremana: Correct spelling Maremmana (and also Maremmano).
• Pozan: Correct spelling is Poznan.
• Rhinelander: I think it's more known as Rhenish Warmblood.
• Rocky Mountain Pony: More known as Rocky Mountain Horse (not pony).
• San Fratellano: Mostly called Sanfratellano (one word) when searching for this breed.
• South German Horse: Mostly called South German Coldblood.
• Ariegeois: According to many sources this is just an older name for the Merens Pony so both these "breeds" should be the same unless I missed some details in the history of the breed.
• Hokkaido: Seems to also be called Dosanko Horse. Not sure which one is the most common but just a note about it.
• Hucul: Also called Carpathian Pony but just as the one above, not sure which one is the most common name used for this breed.
• Icelandic Pony: Is usually called Icelandic Horse (even though it's a pony).
• Ob: Ob Pony (or Priob). The sources I found says it's a pony so it's a bit too tall in the breeds wiki.
• Western Sudan Pony: A bit too tall in the breeds wiki.
• Pottock: Usually spelled Pottok.
• Aenos: It's spelled Ainos according to my sources.

And some other breeds have alternative names that seem to be used more often today than what they are called here in the breeds wiki. Nothing major that's incorrect and I guess there are plans to update the breeds wiki with more details at some point in the future.

Do as you wish with my comments here, I just thought I'd try to sort things out a bit and might post it in the guides section of the forum instead, along with another side project I'm working on considering the breeds wiki.

Wow! Thank you for taking your time for that, i really appreciat your search! Thanks a lot. I hope admins add these.

[BlanketMonster]

A Frencher is a cross between a TB and a Canadian Horse, similar to the Canadian Pacer, which is a Narragansett Pacer crossed with Canadian. Frenchers and Pacers were also influential in producing other gaited breeds.
Also, Frencher's have been referred to as "Canucks" and as St.Laurents, but now this refers to the heavy draft type which has since disappeared.

There is some cross-referencing between Frenchers and Pacers, since these sub-types were more common in the 1700s/1800s and pedigrees weren't really kept...

So basically, the Canadian Horse has 3 "sub-types", Pacer (racing on ice) , Frencher(trotter/race), and St.Laurent (heavy/draft) which are now considered extinct and were most likely either merged back into the general Canadian population or were foundations for other breeds.

Source: http://www.cherrycreekcanadians.ca/cana ... story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_horse

[Totina]

A Frencher is a cross between a TB and a Canadian Horse, similar to the Canadian Pacer, which is a Narragansett Pacer crossed with Canadian. Frenchers and Pacers were also influential in producing other gaited breeds.
Also, Frencher's have been referred to as "Canucks" and as St.Laurents, but now this refers to the heavy draft type which has since disappeared.

There is some cross-referencing between Frenchers and Pacers, since these sub-types were more common in the 1700s/1800s and pedigrees weren't really kept...

So basically, the Canadian Horse has 3 "sub-types", Pacer (racing on ice) , Frencher(trotter/race), and St.Laurent (heavy/draft) which are now considered extinct and were most likely either merged back into the general Canadian population or were foundations for other breeds.

Source: http://www.cherrycreekcanadians.ca/cana ... story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_horse

Thank you! Will make use of this information with my side project where I try to add some detailed information of the breeds similar to the ones in the breeds wiki where information currently is missing.

[elizabeth1]

That is really a good idea. I wish they would also update the numbers! For active horses if the owner hasn't been on for 3 years I wish they would quit counting them in the active count.

[BlackOak2]

As always, gorgeous work.
Thank you. And I've agreed since the first suggestion that the breeds wiki needs to be resorted and completed.

I do know, much like the quarter pony and the quarter horse, that some breeds are separated by height, but I also wonder if such breeds would still be considered pony even if over a certain hand height (13.3hh)... or rather they should be considered a draft instead of a horse, because they're so close to that line. I was raised on the understanding that 13.3hh and under are called and considered pony and those over are called and considered horse.
It wasn't until years later that I understood a miniature horse is certainly different than a miniature pony. Thus the 13.3hh for pony lost all real definition and meaning.

[Totina]

One thing I'm still unsure of when creating my complementary breeds wiki is about the breeds that may have different height registered in this game compared to real life horses of those breeds. Should I exclusively use the information from this game's breeds wiki or should I "keep it real" and use the information I find from my research?

[Silverine]

They are some breeds that are considered horses because of proportions rather than total height, and some that are considered ponies rather than horses for the same reason. (Though the second case is admittedly considerably rarer.) So I don't think height should really be the determining factor in whether a breed is placed in the pony category or not.

For example, the Abyssinian is a horse rather than a pony even though the average height is only around 13.3h.

But then, when using height, should you use the game's data or outside data? That's hard to say. I've found that different sources often, if not almost always, disagree on height to at least a certain extent. So I'd say you should make the choice on a source-by-source basis. For example, the official breed standard is probably more reliable than the breed wiki. Some other sites, maybe not so much.

[BlackOak2]

One thing I'm still unsure of when creating my complementary breeds wiki is about the breeds that may have different height registered in this game compared to real life horses of those breeds. Should I exclusively use the information from this game's breeds wiki or should I "keep it real" and use the information I find from my research?

Personally, I think since it's already written into the game, we should stick with the game req's, however, making note of the difference to real life would be an interesting side-note, after all, this game has a LOT of basis in reality. So something like 'some real-life registries suggest that the height should be #hh to #hh, but on HWO, our standard is instead #hh to #hh. I do recall different countries or areas of the world will have different sizes (specifically) in their registries from time to time. I can't think of any in particular off the top of my head, but I think the Knab might be one of them. In Europe they'll have one standardized height, but in the US, I think (and I could be wrong), the standardized height is much broader.
It is a difficult process when pulling breeds from across the globe: which registry should be utilized? All one country? The origin country only? But what of the breeds that no longer or never had a registry?
So that's where my own answer comes from: stick with the game req's but a side-note to real-life might be interesting.

[Silverine]

but I think the Knab might be one of them. In Europe they'll have one standardized height, but in the US, I think (and I could be wrong), the standardized height is much broader.

The US doesn't have its own Knab registry. The original US registry only came about because KNN wasn't involved. KNN started sending inspectors our way in 2009, and the original US directory closed in 2011.