Stagnation of quality (also, a cute doggo)

[Malakai10]

Has anyone else experienced a stagnation in the quality of their horses? How did you get your stock to improve again?

Cute picture to cheer you up:

Gucci thinks she's being helpful... but I need my right hand to play, Gucc.

[BlackOak2]

Has anyone else experienced a stagnation in the quality of their horses? How did you get your stock to improve again?

Cute picture to cheer you up:

Gucci thinks she's being helpful... but I need my right hand to play, Gucc.

When I get stagnation, I introduce an unrelated line, or create a new one. Sometimes high COI is the issue with that. Sometimes it's something else. It depends on where the stagnation happens.
Other times, depending on the stagnation and the COI, I'll just change what I'm aiming for. New blood isn't always the way I fix it. For instance, if I'm working toward movement and stagnation occurs, I'll start aiming for balance. But, most often, new blood in some form.

[Malakai10]

Has anyone else experienced a stagnation in the quality of their horses? How did you get your stock to improve again?

Cute picture to cheer you up:

Gucci thinks she's being helpful... but I need my right hand to play, Gucc.

When I get stagnation, I introduce an unrelated line, or create a new one. Sometimes high COI is the issue with that. Sometimes it's something else. It depends on where the stagnation happens.
Other times, depending on the stagnation and the COI, I'll just change what I'm aiming for. New blood isn't always the way I fix it. For instance, if I'm working toward movement and stagnation occurs, I'll start aiming for balance. But, most often, new blood in some form.

Thanks - I have already tried that, but perhaps I'm introducing too many new lines - I took the herd's COI down from over 100% (it might have been around 150, even) to an average range of 40-60. I think I'll try getting the strength comment up and not introduce new blood until it starts to stagnate again.
Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

[BlackOak2]

When I get stagnation, I introduce an unrelated line, or create a new one. Sometimes high COI is the issue with that. Sometimes it's something else. It depends on where the stagnation happens.
Other times, depending on the stagnation and the COI, I'll just change what I'm aiming for. New blood isn't always the way I fix it. For instance, if I'm working toward movement and stagnation occurs, I'll start aiming for balance. But, most often, new blood in some form.

Thanks - I have already tried that, but perhaps I'm introducing too many new lines - I took the herd's COI down from over 100% (it might have been around 150, even) to an average range of 40-60. I think I'll try getting the strength comment up and not introduce new blood until it starts to stagnate again.
Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

Wow, from carbon copies to NOT.
For some more information (didn't realize you were working with that high COI)... at about 80-85% COI, you'll start developing carbon copies. At least from my experience. Also about that COI, introducing new blood won't result in much or any change. So if you're aiming for those copies, that's where you'll want to hang around. If not, then about 65% COI will keep what you have, while still enabling similar genetic additions, such as breeding more than 50% of your herd to the same stallion for a couple generations. In that case, you'll pull his genes in to your herd.

But you already figured out what you did. You added too many new genes too quickly.

Personally, I've found when working with the two extremes (carbon copies versus low to no COI), then to ensure the stability of the bloodline, one must stick to that practice, otherwise it risks the collapse of the bloodline. So either keep COI low by introducing new blood regularly, or keep COI high and introduce new blood gradually and likely using the same horse or the same bloodline multiple times.

Anyway, that's been my experience.

[Malakai10]

Thanks - I have already tried that, but perhaps I'm introducing too many new lines - I took the herd's COI down from over 100% (it might have been around 150, even) to an average range of 40-60. I think I'll try getting the strength comment up and not introduce new blood until it starts to stagnate again.
Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

Wow, from carbon copies to NOT.
For some more information (didn't realize you were working with that high COI)... at about 80-85% COI, you'll start developing carbon copies. At least from my experience. Also about that COI, introducing new blood won't result in much or any change. So if you're aiming for those copies, that's where you'll want to hang around. If not, then about 65% COI will keep what you have, while still enabling similar genetic additions, such as breeding more than 50% of your herd to the same stallion for a couple generations. In that case, you'll pull his genes in to your herd.

But you already figured out what you did. You added too many new genes too quickly.

Personally, I've found when working with the two extremes (carbon copies versus low to no COI), then to ensure the stability of the bloodline, one must stick to that practice, otherwise it risks the collapse of the bloodline. So either keep COI low by introducing new blood regularly, or keep COI high and introduce new blood gradually and likely using the same horse or the same bloodline multiple times.

Anyway, that's been my experience.

Okay, thanks so much