Talent in horses

[Veterinarian]

When I think of a talented horse in, lets say, racing I think of a horse with high speed, stamina and strength conformation as well as good stats and HGP.

Plus a few extra things such as the horse being high Strung, moderately thin or thin which helps with getting better results.

From what I have seen that is true. If you compare a horse (following the description of a talented horse above) with a horse that is completely the opposite then you will obviously see a big difference. However, I noticed that even if your horse has the highest confo and breeders report's comment there is a chance of them not competing well.

Lets take as an example this horse that I own:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2155229

He has a pretty decent confo and a good HGP,
56,181

Speed 61
Strength 33
Stamina 29
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 17
Movemen 33
Agility 34
Tempo 13

Out of 43 starts he managed to win only 3 of them (3rd place ).

Now I do understand that his stam confo is not that great as well as his HGP but winning only 3 out of 43 starts??

Since my horse is not a great example here is a world record holder in Sprint Racing
FF Rockin Tart

This horse holds almost every (level) world record in Sprint Racing which is amazing.
So it is only logical that when you see such good results the horse must obviously have really good confo, stats and HGP, correct? And he must have higher confo, stats and HGP than ,lets say, this horse A&P Secretariat

So I checked A&P Secretariat's confo, which is:
Speed 64
Strength 31
Stamina 39
Intelligence N/A
Balance 13
Movement 37
Agility 32
Tempo 21

HGP:64,114

And then went to see FF Rockin Tart's confo and saw this:
Speed 47
Strength 48
Stamina 32
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 10
Movement 34
Agility 26
Tempo 20

HGP:59,469

There obviously is huge difference between them, so how come FF Rockin Tart is a world record holder and not A&P Secretariat? Plus, the Breeder's reports show as that A&P Secretariat has more potential than FF Rockin Tart.

This lead me to think that it does not matter how high their confos, stats, HGP etc. is. But if that does not matter then what does? How can you tell apart a talented horse from an untalented one?

[Mlloftus]

Oh god, now i'm confused!

[Veterinarian]

Oh god, now i'm confused!

I know!

[Mlloftus]

Oh god, now i'm confused!

I know!

I mean like in real life there is so many things you can tell from but in HWO its so different!

[Veterinarian]

I know!

I mean like in real life there is so many things you can tell from but in HWO its so different!

Yep, I am trying to figure out what actually makes a horse talented lol

[Mlloftus]

I mean like in real life there is so many things you can tell from but in HWO its so different!

Yep, I am trying to figure out what actually makes a horse talented lol

Yeah i'm probably going to do the same, ping me if you figure it out!

[_Raven_]

When I think of a talented horse in, lets say, racing I think of a horse with high speed, stamina and strength conformation as well as good stats and HGP.

Plus a few extra things such as the horse being high Strung, moderately thin or thin which helps with getting better results.

From what I have seen that is true. If you compare a horse (following the description of a talented horse above) with a horse that is completely the opposite then you will obviously see a big difference. However, I noticed that even if your horse has the highest confo and breeders report's comment there is a chance of them not competing well.

Lets take as an example this horse that I own:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2155229

He has a pretty decent confo and a good HGP,
56,181

Speed 61
Strength 33
Stamina 29
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 17
Movemen 33
Agility 34
Tempo 13

Out of 43 starts he managed to win only 3 of them (3rd place ).

Now I do understand that his stam confo is not that great as well as his HGP but winning only 3 out of 43 starts??

Since my horse is not a great example here is a world record holder in Sprint Racing
FF Rockin Tart

This horse holds almost every (level) world record in Sprint Racing which is amazing.
So it is only logical that when you see such good results the horse must obviously have really good confo, stats and HGP, correct? And he must have higher confo, stats and HGP than ,lets say, this horse A&P Secretariat

So I checked A&P Secretariat's confo, which is:
Speed 64
Strength 31
Stamina 39
Intelligence N/A
Balance 13
Movement 37
Agility 32
Tempo 21

HGP:64,114

And then went to see FF Rockin Tart's confo and saw this:
Speed 47
Strength 48
Stamina 32
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 10
Movement 34
Agility 26
Tempo 20

HGP:59,469

There obviously is huge difference between them, so how come FF Rockin Tart is a world record holder and not A&P Secretariat? Plus, the Breeder's reports show as that A&P Secretariat has more potential than FF Rockin Tart.

This lead me to think that it does not matter how high their confos, stats, HGP etc. is. But if that does not matter then what does? How can you tell apart a talented horse from an untalented one?

Nice Horse (Would http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2155229 be for studs?)
Also for confromations:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2287434
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2287434
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2286568

[BlackOak2]

This lead me to think that it does not matter how high their confos, stats, HGP etc. is. But if that does not matter then what does? How can you tell apart a talented horse from an untalented one?

So you have seen what a lot of us has seen, and come to very similar conclusion and questions as you did.

Admin has told us in the past some hints that help us along the way to answering these questions. I'm not going to link them, they're in the forums somewhere but it will take more time searching for them, then directly answering your questions... well not exactly answering as much as giving you some additional knowledge toward whatever end result actually exists...

First, they have told us that the HGP and the breeder's report is the totality of the gene hard scoring and also the conformation hard scoring. But the hard scoring for the conformation alone we can find in the conformation screen. So we may not be able to separate out exactly what the horse might have genetically, but we can see what the horse has conformation-ally. By doing some educated guess-work, we can see what type of genes for each stat our horses most likely has.

Second, our admins have hinted at a hidden competition gene that may or may not influence how well the horse does in competitions. This gene, according to them, may or may not exist in-game. For ease of understanding it, I've always called this the heart gene, or the competition heart. This gene could be the one responsible for a horse pulling in more firsts versus more seconds, or even be responsible for offering a horse that never or rarely wins and always looses by a fair deal. But... it also may not exist.

What we see in your example above is a horse that appears conformation-ally deficient compared to the other. This could be due to the genes that the horse has compared to the other, that overcomes the worse conformation scores. This could also be from a really extraordinary heart that the horse has. Or it could also be the combination of both of these.

The further question is: Are there other factors that we don't know that also affect our horses? Those that admin hasn't hinted at? For instance, can we actually breed IN a talent for a particular competition, other than conformation for a particular competition and heart (if it exists).

For further reading, this is an involved discussion that might be interesting or might also cause additional confusion on the differences between conformation and genes. Be warned, it's long.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/forum/v ... 4535&hilit

[Veterinarian]

This lead me to think that it does not matter how high their confos, stats, HGP etc. is. But if that does not matter then what does? How can you tell apart a talented horse from an untalented one?

So you have seen what a lot of us has seen, and come to very similar conclusion and questions as you did.

Admin has told us in the past some hints that help us along the way to answering these questions. I'm not going to link them, they're in the forums somewhere but it will take more time searching for them, then directly answering your questions... well not exactly answering as much as giving you some additional knowledge toward whatever end result actually exists...

First, they have told us that the HGP and the breeder's report is the totality of the gene hard scoring and also the conformation hard scoring. But the hard scoring for the conformation alone we can find in the conformation screen. So we may not be able to separate out exactly what the horse might have genetically, but we can see what the horse has conformation-ally. By doing some educated guess-work, we can see what type of genes for each stat our horses most likely has.

Second, our admins have hinted at a hidden competition gene that may or may not influence how well the horse does in competitions. This gene, according to them, may or may not exist in-game. For ease of understanding it, I've always called this the heart gene, or the competition heart. This gene could be the one responsible for a horse pulling in more firsts versus more seconds, or even be responsible for offering a horse that never or rarely wins and always looses by a fair deal. But... it also may not exist.

What we see in your example above is a horse that appears conformation-ally deficient compared to the other. This could be due to the genes that the horse has compared to the other, that overcomes the worse conformation scores. This could also be from a really extraordinary heart that the horse has. Or it could also be the combination of both of these.

The further question is: Are there other factors that we don't know that also affect our horses? Those that admin hasn't hinted at? For instance, can we actually breed IN a talent for a particular competition, other than conformation for a particular competition and heart (if it exists).

For further reading, this is an involved discussion that might be interesting or might also cause additional confusion on the differences between conformation and genes. Be warned, it's long.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/forum/v ... 4535&hilit

Oh thanks!

[D.M Competing]

When I think of a talented horse in, lets say, racing I think of a horse with high speed, stamina and strength conformation as well as good stats and HGP.
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This lead me to think that it does not matter how high their confos, stats, HGP etc. is. But if that does not matter then what does? How can you tell apart a talented horse from an untalented one?

Ok now im stumped ... so anyway. I bred this horse out of good (and i mean really good) competing genes.
Anyway he has terrible times for racing when his parents both has great racing genes in them? They're both proven race genetics and yet he is horrible?
He has a pretty good racers confo (for my standards) and yet this is happening? I find this kinda confusing
Is there something I'm missing?
DMRTB Raspberry Sprite

Speed 65
Strength 33
Stamina 42
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 17
Movement 31
Agility 26
Tempo 26

You know a lot lol any ideas?