OnlyLegends Canadian Warmbloods

[OnlyLegends]

So, I want to be breeding Canadian Warmbloods when the game opens up to the public, but im having difficulties with just getting a Mongolian. Any body have some tips for me? I've got a Exmoor / Tarpan that is three stars for the Mongolian breed book, I just don't know why it isn't a Mongolian.

Also, if anyone happens to know how to help me out with colour breeding that would be awesome, I'd like to know how to breed paints and appies too.

I know, too many projects already!

Thanks for the possible help!

Love the game already, see you in the long run

[Nate]

Mongolians must be made by breeding a Przewalski/Tarpan Cross to a Tarpan, either half, part, or pure (I think). If a horse with that breeding and 3 stars for Mongolian I'd say you just have extraordinarily bad luck.

I don't know very much about the appaloosa genes and how they interact with each other, but I am fairly sure that they are dominant and I know the paint genes are. When we have those added to the game, breeding them will be as simple as breeding to a horse with those patterns and hoping you land on the right size of chance. Or, of course, breeding to a horse that's homozygous for the pattern you want.

[Valkyriea]

Ahhhhhhhhhh me too me too! I shall be breeding Canadian Warmbloods too!

[Deslumbrar]

Since Nate covered your Mongolian issue, I'll hit the Appaloosa part...

Depending on how Larissa codes it, current researchers are suggesting Appaloosa as a pattern is more complex than previously thought. You need more than one gene to create most patterns. The base gene is Lp, leopard complex. This gene is thought to be what causes "varnish roan" the look that makes an Appaloosa (or Knabstrupper, Sugar Bush Draft, or Noriker, as well as a few other less known breeds) add white to their coats year after year until usually somewhere in their 10-15 year old stage they appear all white with only the bony areas showing their original color. Its thought that all horses varnish to a degree - some very little (virtually unnoticeable), some end up all white. And the gene can move the white around a bit as well, cause some color to come back to areas that were white the year before, or changing the shape of the pattern a bit.


http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/ ... 4rz6q1.png << link to image, the preview was showing the image cut off at the jowl, link shows the whole head too.
Text book varnish roan - bony areas like the knees, hocks, fetlocks, cannons, stifles, bony prominences on the face are left colored, the rest is white.

For a horse to appear leopard or few spot, the horse must have PATN1. Leopard is a horse that is LPlp and PATN1. Fewspot is LPLP and PATN1.

http://www.angelical3stables.com/Blog/f ... G_1501.jpg
Leopard


http://www.dreammakersappaloosas.com/Dr ... 44__2_.jpg
Fewspot (the foal)

Then you have PATN2 which causes blanket and snow cap. Blanket is a horse that is LPlp and PATN2. Snow cap is LPLP and PATN2.

http://www.e-monsite.com/s/2008/02/26/l ... -601ok.jpg
Blanket


http://www.horseclicks.com/img/adphotos ... 55_img.jpg
Snow Cap

There are also thought to be gene(s) that cause these genes to be limited in their pattern and add more color back to their face/neck/chest area. This hastnt been identified particularly and may even be related to the genes that restrict patterns/white markings in other genes.

Another little fun fact, leopard complex regularly causes what has been calling bronzing and color shifting. Bronzing is a term used to describe what would usually be black points (or overall color) on a non-LP horse but these appear muted and almost slate in tone. So a genetically bay horse with leopard complex and PATN1/2 may look irregular.

http://equinetapestry.com/2012/03/appal ... -shifting/
http://equinetapestry.com/2012/03/more- ... or-shifts/

[Nate]

Do the PATN1 and PATN2 genes appear on the same locus, making them mutually exclusive?

[OnlyLegends]

Thank you all very much for that very in-depth answer! I love it when people do that! Very educational!

What do you guys think about breeding the Canadian Warmbloods back to the Arabian. If the Arabian has at least two stars for the Canadian warmblood evaluation, I was thinking of breeding it back and making my own breed out of it. but what do you guys think of that

[Deslumbrar]

I oopsed a bit in my explanation of Lp, PATN1, PATN2 and suppression genes...

The current thinking involves two thoughts... either there is Lp, then PATN1, PATN2 and suppression genes. OR there is Lp, PATN(1) and suppression genes. So far they have managed to find that there is reason to believe there is a pattern gene (hence, PATN) and there seems to be either a few other patterns or a consistent gene that is causing suppression of the pattern gene resulting in more color than just white with colored spots (leopard).


Consider that they pretty much JUST put out the official LP identifying test to the public in late 2012 or early 2013.