Brown/Dun, Pangaré

[AltNazarach]

As I'm quite new to pony-types I have to admit being somewhat clueless about their phenotypes of certain genes... most of a Problem I have with these two:
Qing


Is she a Brown or a bay? I'm not quite seeing any warm-spots so I think bay but she is really dark…

He Xiu


His sire definitly has mealy, but I'm not sure if he has as well, the Dun somewhat hides the places where the Mealy would be most visible...
So any ideas/suggestions? I'd really appreciate the help

[Baranduin Brewster]

As I'm quite new to pony-types I have to admit being somewhat clueless about their phenotypes of certain genes... most of a Problem I have with these two:
Qing


Is she a Brown or a bay? I'm not quite seeing any warm-spots so I think bay but she is really dark…

He Xiu


His sire definitly has mealy, but I'm not sure if he has as well, the Dun somewhat hides the places where the Mealy would be most visible...
So any ideas/suggestions? I'd really appreciate the help

Both are bay duns

the second one does have mealy

[AltNazarach]

Both are bay duns

the second one does have mealy

Ok, thx for answering ^^

[LlamaLlama99]

As I'm quite new to pony-types I have to admit being somewhat clueless about their phenotypes of certain genes... most of a Problem I have with these two:
Qing


Is she a Brown or a bay? I'm not quite seeing any warm-spots so I think bay but she is really dark…

He Xiu


His sire definitly has mealy, but I'm not sure if he has as well, the Dun somewhat hides the places where the Mealy would be most visible...
So any ideas/suggestions? I'd really appreciate the help

The First one is definetly brown dun and the other is bay dun
LM Pearly

This one is smoky brown dun but is the same but yellowey not reddish at points.

[Silverine]

The First one is definetly brown dun and the other is bay dun
LM Pearly

This one is smoky brown dun but is the same but yellowey not reddish at points.

Actually Baranduin Brewster was correct, the horse is a very dark bay dun. The horse in question is an AC Tarpan, and AC Tarpans do not come in any color other than bay dun. Apart from this, if you look closely at the horse you will see that the red "points" aren't actually points but are simply the areas where the dun coloration ends. There is also a clear distinction on the forelegs where the red coloration ends and the black coloration of the lower legs begins (look at the difference in color between the stripes and the dark areas on the lower legs). True brown horses do not have this. The red areas also much darker than the red that is usually found on brown horses. A true brown dun would look a lot more like this horse:




Or this horse:



Whereas Nazarach's horse has a very dark red-brown tint covering its body, the brown duns do not. They are a more gray-brown color, closer to diluted black than diluted red, except around the muzzle, armpits, flanks, and occasionally along the underbelly. If you look at the second horse's gallery, you can actually see a very nice progression from the foal coat which was almost uniformly brown, to the shed coat at one year that had very bright red points, to where the horse is now.

Here is a brown dun with fairly faint dun expression to show that the forelegs are uniformly black, whereas Nazarach's horse has reddish upper forelegs and black lower legs.




Nazarach's horse for comparison:




And here is another bay dun. This one is affected by sooty on the legs, but still has its bright red face. The dun expression on its legs is very similar to the dun expression on Nazarach's horse.

[LlamaLlama99]

The First one is definetly brown dun and the other is bay dun
LM Pearly

This one is smoky brown dun but is the same but yellowey not reddish at points.

Actually Baranduin Brewster was correct, the horse is a very dark bay dun. The horse in question is an AC Tarpan, and AC Tarpans do not come in any color other than bay dun. Apart from this, if you look closely at the horse you will see that the red "points" aren't actually points but are simply the areas where the dun coloration ends. There is also a clear distinction on the forelegs where the red coloration ends and the black coloration of the lower legs begins (look at the difference in color between the stripes and the dark areas on the lower legs). True brown horses do not have this. The red areas also much darker than the red that is usually found on brown horses. A true brown dun would look a lot more like this horse:




Or this horse:



Whereas Nazarach's horse has a very dark red-brown tint covering its body, the brown duns do not. They are a more gray-brown color, closer to diluted black than diluted red, except around the muzzle, armpits, flanks, and occasionally along the underbelly. If you look at the second horse's gallery, you can actually see a very nice progression from the foal coat which was almost uniformly brown, to the shed coat at one year that had very bright red points, to where the horse is now.

Here is a brown dun with fairly faint dun expression to show that the forelegs are uniformly black, whereas Nazarach's horse has reddish upper forelegs and black lower legs.




Nazarach's horse for comparison:




And here is another bay dun. This one is affected by sooty on the legs, but still has its bright red face. The dun expression on its legs is very similar to the dun expression on Nazarach's horse.

Oh ok then! Learned something new!

[AltNazarach]

Actually Baranduin Brewster was correct, the horse is a very dark bay dun. The horse in question is an AC Tarpan, and AC Tarpans do not come in any color other than bay dun. Apart from this, if you look closely at the horse you will see that the red "points" aren't actually points but are simply the areas where the dun coloration ends. There is also a clear distinction on the forelegs where the red coloration ends and the black coloration of the lower legs begins (look at the difference in color between the stripes and the dark areas on the lower legs). True brown horses do not have this. The red areas also much darker than the red that is usually found on brown horses. A true brown dun would look a lot more like this horse:




Or this horse:



Whereas Nazarach's horse has a very dark red-brown tint covering its body, the brown duns do not. They are a more gray-brown color, closer to diluted black than diluted red, except around the muzzle, armpits, flanks, and occasionally along the underbelly. If you look at the second horse's gallery, you can actually see a very nice progression from the foal coat which was almost uniformly brown, to the shed coat at one year that had very bright red points, to where the horse is now.

Here is a brown dun with fairly faint dun expression to show that the forelegs are uniformly black, whereas Nazarach's horse has reddish upper forelegs and black lower legs.




Nazarach's horse for comparison:




And here is another bay dun. This one is affected by sooty on the legs, but still has its bright red face. The dun expression on its legs is very similar to the dun expression on Nazarach's horse.

Thanks for going into such detail