Gelding Pricing (-Closed Topic-)

[Tjigra]

I don't think geldings would decrease the number of subpar studs in the market. Most of those there have been put up by beginner players who don't judge their quality at all. You see a lot of adds of "the best horse there is, breed to him!" for a stallion with red stats. Players who do have the quality studs don't put those subpar up for the reason of the limited number of studs they can have So gelding them won't make them go away from the stud market, as they are not there in the first place. And the ones there are are held in too much high regard by their owners to geld them at all.
What I am worried about though is that adding gelding will decrease the number of rare breed studs available. If there are like 3 studs at all on the market and one of them gets gelded because of whatever, that decreases the availability for 33% at once. So probably some reasonably high price for gelding might keep those "whatever" geldings intact at least.

[BlackOak2]

I don't think geldings would decrease the number of subpar studs in the market. Most of those there have been put up by beginner players who don't judge their quality at all. You see a lot of adds of "the best horse there is, breed to him!" for a stallion with red stats. Players who do have the quality studs don't put those subpar up for the reason of the limited number of studs they can have So gelding them won't make them go away from the stud market, as they are not there in the first place. And the ones there are are held in too much high regard by their owners to geld them at all.
What I am worried about though is that adding gelding will decrease the number of rare breed studs available. If there are like 3 studs at all on the market and one of them gets gelded because of whatever, that decreases the availability for 33% at once. So probably some reasonably high price for gelding might keep those "whatever" geldings intact at least.

That, I believe, is one of the reasons that our admins have for not yet implementing this into the game, alongside other reasons, one of which is that I think... I think... it will be implemented with the Vet? addition, so a large addition.

But the same thing can be applied to rares as it's applied to all others. If it's a subpar rare, then perhaps the rare would be put to better use as a gelding. Besides that, rare breeds are rare to begin with. I kept in board or made my own, when I was going through the bulk of the quests, BECAUSE there were just None available... no studs, no mares, not for sale OR for stud. They just didn't exist. So the implementation of this won't really change the availability of rares that much.
At least, in my opinion. And if they're posted for stud now, by adding a feature of gelding, why would they be pulled and gelded when they're a rare to begin with? There will be plenty of common geldings all over the place, but pulling a rare and gelding them then trying to sell a rare as an unbreedable, that WILL severely drop the price and value of that horse. At least, that's the way I see it.
A rare is so valuable because it is breedable and not just because it is a rare. When the population begins to grow, the value on the non-breedables starts to switch and climb because of the quality and not necessarily because of the population limit.
And again, this is the way I see it. Perhaps I'm wrong with that though.

[Sawd10]

Well, solved.

...

I do actually agree with you when I think over it. I guess it's true that real life does NOT have 'Diamonds'!
I just put the post up and was going to see what opinions there was.

Reading

's

above post, that is quite true. Though the Pony Tokens might actually 'decrease' the number of players wanting to Geld, I believe it's true that like

.

said, most stallions on the market would be the stallions owned by new players that don't have much worth to those further in projects.


All 3 of you guys have posts that probably changed my mind. . I hadn't thought of that before so thanks for saying that.
I agree, that is probably why they haven't implemented Geldings into the game yet.

[BlackOak2]

[Malakai10]

I disagree with this.

In real life, it is much more common to geld a colt than to leave him as a stallion. In most responsible situations, a colt has to prove he is worth breeding before anyone even considers leaving him a stud.

HWO has an over-abundance of stallions. If a player produces a colt that is sub-par to their breeding goals, but could still potentially be a decent show horse, they have no options that would enable them to sell that horse or give it away (say as a grinder) while still ensuring that his genes don't enter the general population. This leads to a lot of colts that could potentially be useful to new players as starter horses being rehomed.

I do believe that gelding should cost game money. However, the price for the operation should be similar to what it would cost to geld a horse in real life. Money on HWO is easier to obtain that in real life, so the price could be increased accordingly. Price should also increase with age, as it would in real-life. (It is much riskier and more expensive to geld a 7-year-old than it is to geld a 6-month-old.)

I do not believe that gelding should cost PT. Though geldings are supposed to earn a boost to their competition abilities I do not think it would be fair to charge a player PT to receive this bonus. That is too much like adding a "pay-to-win" feature, which this game does its best to avoid.

Also, to those making the point that the addition of geldings would decrease the available studs - please take into consideration that there are a considerable amount more studs available than are actually used. Keeping gelding accessible to all would decrease the number of sub-par stallions that must currently be waded through when browsing the offerings. It would also increase the value of the stallions that remain.

Agreed.