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[Royale Ranch]

by the way i like ur name

thanks

[Royale Ranch]

If you want a little boost in getting the Stamina up in your Arabians I wouldn't mind studding this guy out for you http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1615317. I would just warn you that Varnish is quite heavy in my lines and the COI is a bit up there at 120%. However, this is the highest I've achieved so far in Stamina and even though he is no longer useful for my current Arabian breeding program, I freeze his age on whichever account I'm not currently working on, so he'll always be around if you want to use him.

The biggest issue with raising Stamina in Arabians comes from the face length. That's a lot of the reason behind why I haven't worked too hard to lower the COI in my lines yet because most Arabians that are available for stud have very short to only medium length faces.

I would be honored to stud your horse
right now, although i do admit that varnish certainly isnt my favourite, im not to worried about appearance... im likely to use him quite a number of times, so let me know when he is avaliable

[Royale Ranch]

~Royale Arabians~

Yes... i'm sorry... there are already a million other breeding communities for Arabians...and I've already made about a million posts... jk but this IS SEPARATE from my farm log, and is NOT YOUR STANDARD ARABIAN BREEDING COMMUNITY:

simple: Royalty are a step above everyone else, right? well, I want to create those Arabians. unique, incredibly high stat Arabians, Arabians that everyone will recognise- Royal Arabians

I have a number of goals in mind for this project, but they are kind of scattered at the moment:
1.) (and this one is definite!) increase conformation, as high as possible
2.) create a unique appearance (leopard, or pinto - or something )
3.) and of course, Brand recognition

but first, i need some data ....... what is the highest confirmation ever found in an arabian on HWO?
what is the highest speed? strength? stamina? you get the picture.. can any stat be maxed out at about 68? or is that only for speed? and if movement is supposed to be a weak point in arabians, why do my horses have movement at around 50 when stamina is much lower, (a supposedly strong point?) can anyone help?

Hey Royale! May I goin? I breed all my Arabs for color and high HGP. Here is a example of one of my spotted Arabs:

Buzzy, i'm not really starting up anything here, just extremely appreciative of all the help i can get.
However, this is a public forum, and of course you are more than welcome to join in

whatever you decide to do... a little competition is always healthy, right? and ive certainly got no complaints with working together either

oh... and nice horses and well done on that elusive green movement stat



all the very best,
Royale



ps - i might be in want of a partner eventually.. so keep you in mind?

[Royale Ranch]

I've been working on Arabians too. Right now, the only features missing on mine are a thick jowl and a deep flank.

congrats on breeding to true form.. cant say that i am doing that right now, but certainly admire all the players that have that goal....

certainly a project worth watching

[Royale Ranch]

Don't worry, I don't know much either. I just really love arabians. I've looked up the breed standard an am going with that to develop the looks of my arabians.

Which is basically:
short face
dished face
thick jowl
long neck
deep flank
balanced croup
short back
rounded hip to make it more even with croup
and high tail carriage of course

The words I've made red affect stamina negatively and green affects it positively.

It gives the breed its very dostinctive (and in my opinion gorgeous) look. And yes, I'd say definitely continue with the way you're doing it. I definitely wouldn't recommend my method I focus on way too many things at once it takes forever .



Maybe look at endurance record holders to see what their max stamina conformation is. Alternatively, check your horses with extremes in stamina related aspects of conformation and see what the max stamina values are. Add all those together and you can get an idea of max stamina. Although I'm not sure if there's a hase value of 10 or something for conformation stats.

sorry its been such a long time before i got back to you....
thanks so much for that color coded list above, very helpful, and even more so now that i have learned a little something about what breeding is all about, and gained premium

[Royale Ranch]

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Right now:

Okay, so right now i have about 10 fillies for my next generation: 7 from ladies man, which is not currently available for stud, 2 from my original arabian stud - so im not too confident about them, and one from another horse. the other horse i used to stud last time did not produce any worthwhile foals.

because my foal rate is still quite low, im about to breed my mares again without culling any, before retiring them/reusing whatever... will post as soon as the foals arrive!

[Avrielle]

If you want a little boost in getting the Stamina up in your Arabians I wouldn't mind studding this guy out for you http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1615317. I would just warn you that Varnish is quite heavy in my lines and the COI is a bit up there at 120%. However, this is the highest I've achieved so far in Stamina and even though he is no longer useful for my current Arabian breeding program, I freeze his age on whichever account I'm not currently working on, so he'll always be around if you want to use him.

The biggest issue with raising Stamina in Arabians comes from the face length. That's a lot of the reason behind why I haven't worked too hard to lower the COI in my lines yet because most Arabians that are available for stud have very short to only medium length faces.

I would be honored to stud your horse
right now, although i do admit that varnish certainly isnt my favourite, im not to worried about appearance... im likely to use him quite a number of times, so let me know when he is avaliable

Alrighty, I've put him up for stud for 1,000. I don't really charge much for anything on my horses, but if you would like it lowered at all just let me know.

As for the varnish I have no idea how it came to dominate my Arabian line really. I've had some breedings in the past to Appaloosa pattern Arabians, but my current Arabians come from heavy mixing between my old Paint line I used to have with no varnishers and non-appaloosa patterned Arabians. Just a mystery that I've left alone for now because I have a hard enough time getting my current line to maintain 58+ Stamina and 40+ Speed, let alone trying to get the varnish to disappear. But as others have said, when breeding for high Stamina conformation or Endurance conformation builds overall, they really do lose the Arabian look.

[Royale Ranch]

I would be honored to stud your horse
right now, although i do admit that varnish certainly isnt my favourite, im not to worried about appearance... im likely to use him quite a number of times, so let me know when he is avaliable

Alrighty, I've put him up for stud for 1,000. I don't really charge much for anything on my horses, but if you would like it lowered at all just let me know.

As for the varnish I have no idea how it came to dominate my Arabian line really. I've had some breedings in the past to Appaloosa pattern Arabians, but my current Arabians come from heavy mixing between my old Paint line I used to have with no varnishers and non-appaloosa patterned Arabians. Just a mystery that I've left alone for now because I have a hard enough time getting my current line to maintain 58+ Stamina and 40+ Speed, let alone trying to get the varnish to disappear. But as others have said, when breeding for high Stamina conformation or Endurance conformation builds overall, they really do lose the Arabian look.

Thankyou Avrielle. those are certainly some pretty impressive stats!
your farm is very interesting to look through as well
if it is okay to ask, what technique did you use to increase the stamina within your arabian lines?
yes, i'm torn, 'genetically modifying' these horses to reach my end goal... it kind of feels wrong to do so, but its not stopping me at the moment!

[Avrielle]

Alrighty, I've put him up for stud for 1,000. I don't really charge much for anything on my horses, but if you would like it lowered at all just let me know.

As for the varnish I have no idea how it came to dominate my Arabian line really. I've had some breedings in the past to Appaloosa pattern Arabians, but my current Arabians come from heavy mixing between my old Paint line I used to have with no varnishers and non-appaloosa patterned Arabians. Just a mystery that I've left alone for now because I have a hard enough time getting my current line to maintain 58+ Stamina and 40+ Speed, let alone trying to get the varnish to disappear. But as others have said, when breeding for high Stamina conformation or Endurance conformation builds overall, they really do lose the Arabian look.

Thankyou Avrielle. those are certainly some pretty impressive stats!
your farm is very interesting to look through as well
if it is okay to ask, what technique did you use to increase the stamina within your arabian lines?
yes, i'm torn, 'genetically modifying' these horses to reach my end goal... it kind of feels wrong to do so, but its not stopping me at the moment!

Originally I only bred Arabians for high HGP, but then I realized if I wanted a real Endurance competition monster that I would need to start breeding for conformation. So at first I didn't crossbreed, I simply looked through the Arabians available for stud (yes all 100 something pages and before the find only studs with energy option was available >.<) and looked for ones close to 50. This eventually brought me to having Arabians that were 50+, but only would max out around 55 and 57 if I was lucky. I started to look at the actual details in the conformation report and noticed my issue was in face length, which holds a lot of points in Stamina.

As it turns out my Paint line that I had been breeding only for color and because I used them to create my Pintabians, had that long face I was looking for, but at the same time they had the deep flank as well so I didn't have to compromise on fixing that area of conformation in my Arabians later. I slowly bred my Paints into my Arabians, mostly keeping track of which foals kept the longer faces without sacrificing too much to other areas of their conformation and their HGP. It wasn't quite as efficient as the method as I'm using now, and it was lot more work to record each area of their conformation, but the results were pretty quick and within a week or two I came by my first 67 Stamina Arabian.

Now to current day and the line I'm working on now: If you looked through my farm then you've noticed that I have an Arabian mare one and Arabian mare two pasture, I also have an Arabian side pasture 1 and 2. This began when I started increasing their speed conformation. Right before I quit breeding Paints I started to cross them with TBs and Deliboz. I still had longer faced deep flanked Paints, but this led me to having downhill croups as well which was the last area of speed my Arabians were missing very badly, which is what you can see in the 67 Stamina Arabian I put up for stud.

So I crossed the two lines, but instead of instantly breeding back to purebred Arabian I kept these lines mostly separate. So those side pastures mostly consisted of Arabian Paint crosses up until the last couple weeks. Whenever I felt like I had a good enough selection of mares with proper conformations, I would find the Arabian stud with the most downhill croup (bare in mind the highest of a group of stallions with a bunch of uphill croups) and breed him to the side pasture group. Keeping the foals that had the best results between the crossing and rehoming the ones that didn't. Then I kept the lines separate again for a long time and kept repeating this process and ever so slowly creeping them up back to purebred or close to purebred. Keep in mind that this has actually taken a bit over a month. I also kept one stud in particular with close enough conformations just in case the side pasture started to lose the ideal Stamina and Speed conformations I was looking for. http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1615979

It's a really long process, but it's fairly safe and kept me from losing too much conformation or HGP wise, since my Paints were close in HGP, but not as high as my Arabians. So the crossing was slow and not overbearing. Also freezing the age of any studs along the way that could be used later to fix conformation mishaps that occasionally come up. However, my rehome rate is extremely high. I generally keep the best two studs of a generation and then breed them to two groups of 6 mares. I throw all the colts into my Stallion pasture and then all the fillies into the filly holding pens. After I go through two rounds of breeding I compare the resulting foals and either keep the ones that meet the standard or rehome the ones that don't meet the standard I'm looking for and also replace the mares that no longer meet the standard of what the new generation has come to. At this point my rehome rate can be as high as 90% of the foals being rehomed, unless I'm getting close to losing some of my herd to old age.

Kind of a bit of a read, sorry about that lol. It's a lot of work and paying attention to small details when it comes to conformation breeding. Breeding for high HGP is fairly simple and fast by comparison and you have a lot less time and progress lost due to being inattentive. I'm sure I don't have the best way of going about breeding for conformation and I'm sure I'm missing some ways of better insuring that I get the results I'm looking for and in faster time, but I enjoy the learning process anyways.

So far after a couple months it has resulted in this guy http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1663732. But even he isn't the final product of what I'm going for. Just one wonderful milestone for me.

[Royale Ranch]

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next bach of foals have arrived:

main stud:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1615317

colts:

Fillies:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668217
With a little training, she'll grow into quite a strong filly. Your filly is about as fast as average. Wow, you'd be making a mistake not to compete in endurance events with this filly! Boy that filly moves well, she should do pretty well for you. This filly is as regular as clockwork. This filly could do ballet she has such perfect balance! Appears to be a very agile filly, should do good for you. Bloody filly is smart! Too smart!
Gold: Stamina Tempo Balance Intelligence
GP: 59
Speed 25
Strength 22
Stamina 61
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 38
Movement 50
Agility 27
Tempo 33
opinion: as can be expected using this stud, the genes are actually quite low, but conformation high. However, she has kept the gold color, and seems - in my opinion at least, have a decent BR comment. she has kept the speed consistent, but strength has dropped. balance is fair, movement good, agility has unfortunately dropped. tempo is lower than her mares, but that can be expected as the studs tempo is quite low. the only BR color that has dropped is her agility... personally, i think she is a keeper.


http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668221
This filly seems as strong as average. Your filly is quick on her hooves. This filly has an extraordinary amount of endurance! That's one fine mover. When it comes to tempo, your filly is pretty average. I haven't seen this filly trip once. This filly is very spry! Your filly is as bright as an honor student.
Gold: stamina, intelligence
GP: 58
Speed 27
Strength 26
Stamina 61
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 34
Movement 55
Agility 26
Tempo 36
opinion: as can be expected, this filly has carried across intelligence, and inherited the conf scores (=comment and color) of stamina from the stallion.her speed is weak, but good in comparison to her parents, same applies for strength. movement i think i great, but agility and balance is horrid. i dont think i like her enough...


http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668220
instant rehome.


http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668208
Not all horses can be strong. Unfortunately, your filly is one of those. Well, her natural speed is good. Might want to consider racing this one. This one can keep going forever! Doesn't even break a sweat. Your filly moves like the rest of them. This filly is as regular as clockwork. This filly could do ballet she has such perfect balance! Appears to be a very agile filly, should do good for you. If this filly were in school, she would get straight As!
gold: Stamina Tempo Balance Intelligence
Speed 34
Strength 19
Stamina 51
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 41
Movement 43
Agility 34
Tempo 29
GP: 57
as far as the breeding report goes, shes not too bad, increasing the strength of stamina of the mare but has dropped a little in agility. she has, thankfully, carried on a little of her speed from the mare (the studs speed is very low) strength is horrible.
balance, movement and tempo arent good, but arent horrid either. agility bad, but both parents arent great so understandable. perhaps keep he, but only use strong stallions. cull if become overpopulated


http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668212
I wouldn't get your hopes up about this one, she's rather weak. Well, her natural speed is good. Might want to consider racing this one. This filly has great stamina. This filly is very cautious and gracious when she moves. Your filly keeps time well. This is one balanced horse! This filly isn't very agile nor is she stiff. Your filly is sharp as a tack.
Stamina (Tempo) (Balance) Intelligence
GP: 58
Speed 18
Strength 30
Stamina 61
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 39
Movement 47
Agility 27
Tempo 29
her BR report is improved from the mares, but dropped from what the stud was in tempo and balance (which the mare did not have) but agility didnt get color, dispite being a postive report. Speed is shocking, but strength is surprisingly good at 30. balance is well, balnced, movement is good. agiligy conf isnt good, but genes i think have boosted. tempo average. i personally think keep her - but i wouldnt know



http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668219
I wouldn't get your hopes up about this one, she's rather weak. Your filly is about as fast as average. Your filly seems to have a good amount of stamina. Your filly moves like the rest of them. Who needs a watch when you've got this filly, she's got great tempo. Nice filly! Really knows how to keep herself balanced. I've never seen such an agile horse! Your filly is sharp as a tack.
Tempo Balance (Agility) Intelligence
Horse Genetic Potential: 60,067
Speed 18
Strength 27
Stamina 49
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 49
Movement 45
Agility 33
Tempo 34

i'm torn with this one - i think its a rehome... her mother didnt have any color/decent stat, but even with the sires high stamina, she didnt inherit it - and considering its mostly conform, not genes, i dont think she is worth keeping?

still more to be added... but i have to go and dont want to risk loosing what ive written!