"Sooty" gene on palomino -- please join in!

[Xant’hippe]

This is about the Sooty gene and one of the entrants in "Pine Valley Beauty Contest #2".

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Golden Victory

Idk why but her backside is way darker than her body

Nice to see a daughter of one of my stallions. The darkening you see indicates the "Sooty" gene. (See "Quick Guide by Ancient Breed" in this topic; it lists possible genes for the 9 Adoption Center breeds. Only Belgian, Caspian, and Przewalski do not carry Sooty.) The blackening of the hairs can start at the hindquarters and move forward or from the forehand to the hindquarters; the coat can also shade from the topside down (even combining with the other two progressions). This becomes more intense and extensive as the horse ages. If it starts early, a bay horse can look very much like a brown by the time it reaches 4 years. In others it doesn't show until the horse is 5 years old or more.

Here's a link to a part Baladi stallion, CP Shu, who was late-onset Sooty Palomino. His Gallery images show him as brightly-colored, with a white mane and tail, while young -- then darkening through maturity. To me it looks like this starts at 4.46 years, with some subtle shading. The mane and tail are affected fairly early, and the coat gets darker, partly back-to-front and partly top-down.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/48284

CP Shu


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[Baranduin Brewster]

I've noticed that a new born foal (regardless of color) that has extreme 'mealy' typically sootys up pretty darkly.

[MoonTurkmenes]

This is about the Sooty gene and one of the entrants in "Pine Valley Beauty Contest #2".

Hey! Back again!

Golden Victory

Idk why but her backside is way darker than her body

Nice to see a daughter of one of my stallions. The darkening you see indicates the "Sooty" gene. (See "Quick Guide by Ancient Breed" in this topic; it lists possible genes for the 9 Adoption Center breeds. Only Belgian, Caspian, and Przewalski do not carry Sooty.) The blackening of the hairs can start at the hindquarters and move forward or from the forehand to the hindquarters; the coat can also shade from the topside down (even combining with the other two progressions). This becomes more intense and extensive as the horse ages. If it starts early, a bay horse can look very much like a brown by the time it reaches 4 years. In others it doesn't show until the horse is 5 years old or more.

Here's a link to a part Baladi stallion, CP Shu, who was late-onset Sooty Palomino. His Gallery images show him as brightly-colored, with a white mane and tail, while young -- then darkening through maturity. To me it looks like this starts at 4.46 years, with some subtle shading. The mane and tail are affected fairly early, and the coat gets darker, partly back-to-front and partly top-down.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/48284

CP Shu


Anyone else want to add to this?

Oh, that explains it. I've actually seen a Sooty Buckskin ( if that even exists ). This is the sooty Campolina stallion, Motus:


At least, I think it's the same thing happening here.

[Scythian]

Yes, that looks like the front-to-back Sooty ... looking at Motus' Gallery, I see she was born with that dark zone, looking like a partial eclipse. It's not so common to see the forehand (or any body region, really) that dark that early. Another unexpected thing is that so far, the area hasn't increased.

Hard to think of any other form of shading that could be. It wouldn't be varnish (?); that always takes a couple of years past birth, again, as far as I know.

Anyone else out there?

S

[WILD FLICKA]

caspian

This was a caspian I used to own so I do believe caspian can have sooty. She does trace bach to the adoption center.

[MoonTurkmenes]

The daughter of my first sooty palomino is sooty as well. It seems her sooty palomino gene is dominant:
Golden Key

Or maybe the slightly sooty spot comes from her sire, who is Jet-Black?

[Stormchase Stables]

I found an extremely sooty horse, I don't even know if it's the sooty gene anymore. He's so dark in some places it looks like he's green..
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1071624
Sadly the pictures of him aren't up to date so you can't see his sootines if I use the [horse=][/horse] button.

[WILD FLICKA]

I found an extremely sooty horse, I don't even know if it's the sooty gene anymore. He's so dark in some places it looks like he's green..
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1071624
Sadly the pictures of him aren't up to date so you can't see his sootines if I use the [horse=][/horse] button.

Your horse is not sooty, that is the varnish from the LP gene aka appaloosa coloring

[Stormchase Stables]

I found an extremely sooty horse, I don't even know if it's the sooty gene anymore. He's so dark in some places it looks like he's green..
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1071624
Sadly the pictures of him aren't up to date so you can't see his sootines if I use the [horse=][/horse] button.

Your horse is not sooty, that is the varnish from the LP gene aka appaloosa coloring

Ahh thank you. It does resemble the darkening that happens with the sooties though, doesn't it?

[WILD FLICKA]

Your horse is not sooty, that is the varnish from the LP gene aka appaloosa coloring

Ahh thank you. It does resemble the darkening that happens with the sooties though, doesn't it?

It is more of a different kind, varnish can affect a horse a little different, sooty darkens while varnish can "bronze" a horse or make it look more grey or sometimes greenish which is what yours did.