buying a foundation horse
hello!
i've only been playing for around a week and am still figuring things out. my question is this: how can i buy a "stock" horse? i mean a horse with no parents on the site like the horses for adoption. i'd like to begin a morgan breeding program but i have no idea how or where to get my foundation horse outside of purchasing one from another breeder, but surely their lineage started somewhere! is that possible to do? i know the only horses for adoption are of a limited selection of breeds unless my game is whacked out.
tl;dr
where can i buy a SPECIFIC horse breed that has no on site parents?
i've only been playing for around a week and am still figuring things out. my question is this: how can i buy a "stock" horse? i mean a horse with no parents on the site like the horses for adoption. i'd like to begin a morgan breeding program but i have no idea how or where to get my foundation horse outside of purchasing one from another breeder, but surely their lineage started somewhere! is that possible to do? i know the only horses for adoption are of a limited selection of breeds unless my game is whacked out.
tl;dr
where can i buy a SPECIFIC horse breed that has no on site parents?
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Any breed outside of the ones available in the Adoption Center must be created by breeding. As of the moment, you cannot get a Morgan (for example) from the Adoption Center. You'd need to create it. I recommend checking this out: http://www.horseworldonline.net/wiki/breeds
Re: buying a foundation horse
Welcome to the wonderful weird world of HWO breeding! 
How fast do you play? It takes 4 game years to bring a newborn filly to breeding age, and 3 years for a colt. The recipe for a Morgan is
(Arabian x Welsh Cob) x Thoroughbred
There are many intermediate steps between AC (adoption center) breeds and either Welsh Cob or Thoroughbred. Some of them may be achieved easily, but some of the intermediates can be very difficult. You could spend decades of game time getting there from ACs.
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But there are plenty of Thoroughbreds and Arabians out there, and even a few Welsh Cobs. So, looking at the possibility of one or two steps rather than many:
There are three pure Welsh Cob stallions at stud. (Breed to an Arabian mare, hope for a filly who can then breed to a Thoroughbred).
There are 36 Arabian mares between the ages of 4 and 15 years for sale, at an astonishing range of prices ($1 to $1,999,999; also several "Offers Only"). Some of them may have come from the AC -- look at their Profile page and if the parents are "unknown", that's AC. Don't pay more than $200 for an AC unless she has a show record (won $10K at least).
There are three (Welsh Cob x Arabian) studs. Not one of them evaluates 5/5 for Morgan -- this is actually not surprising considering the size and body type of Welsh Cob, which tends to predominate in these crosses. It's necessary to get a willowy Thoroughbred to balance out the traits.
There is one (Welsh Cob x Arabian) mare for sale but she's 92% WC and 0/5 on Morgan evaluation; IMO too chunky to get that balance of traits.
Turning to Thoroughbred, there are 239 purebred stallions standing, and 5 purebred mares for sale (one at $1,500, one at $4,000, and three at "Offers Only").
A (Welsh Cob x Arabian) x Thoroughbred breeding that fails to produce a Morgan produces a "Half Thoroughbred".
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Or, just to get going really fast, there are 6 purebred Morgans for sale, 4 mares and 2 colts. There are 12 purebred Morgan stallions at stud. They are not all close relatives.
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Another point is that a "grade" horse is neutral; mate a Grade mare to, for example, a Lipizzaner stallion and the foal is "Half Lipizzaner" -- but since there is no other breed mentioned, "half" is as good as "pure" for breeding purposes and anywhere else there is a sort-by-breed option (like Rankings sorted by breed, for instance).
If your purebred line has some inherent weaknesses, a careful outcross followed by recrossing to the original breed can improve the next generations. This is how those awesome 6 gold Arabians were produced: not only by refining ACs (breeding the best to the best), but by outbreeding and then inbreeding, first to capture the desired characteristic, later to reinforce it.
Look at the Rankings; sort them for Arabian, and examine the Profiles of some of the top winners. You will actually find one AC mare in there! But she is resting on her previous performances and hasn't gone head-to-head with the new 60-to-70-thousand HGPs out there.
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This horse is the best breeding joke I've ever seen in this game; I don't know how anyone could top it.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/919285
Hope you'll stay with us and find some amusement!
How fast do you play? It takes 4 game years to bring a newborn filly to breeding age, and 3 years for a colt. The recipe for a Morgan is(Arabian x Welsh Cob) x Thoroughbred
There are many intermediate steps between AC (adoption center) breeds and either Welsh Cob or Thoroughbred. Some of them may be achieved easily, but some of the intermediates can be very difficult. You could spend decades of game time getting there from ACs.-------------------------------------
But there are plenty of Thoroughbreds and Arabians out there, and even a few Welsh Cobs. So, looking at the possibility of one or two steps rather than many:There are three pure Welsh Cob stallions at stud. (Breed to an Arabian mare, hope for a filly who can then breed to a Thoroughbred).
There are 36 Arabian mares between the ages of 4 and 15 years for sale, at an astonishing range of prices ($1 to $1,999,999; also several "Offers Only"). Some of them may have come from the AC -- look at their Profile page and if the parents are "unknown", that's AC. Don't pay more than $200 for an AC unless she has a show record (won $10K at least).
There are three (Welsh Cob x Arabian) studs. Not one of them evaluates 5/5 for Morgan -- this is actually not surprising considering the size and body type of Welsh Cob, which tends to predominate in these crosses. It's necessary to get a willowy Thoroughbred to balance out the traits.
There is one (Welsh Cob x Arabian) mare for sale but she's 92% WC and 0/5 on Morgan evaluation; IMO too chunky to get that balance of traits.
Turning to Thoroughbred, there are 239 purebred stallions standing, and 5 purebred mares for sale (one at $1,500, one at $4,000, and three at "Offers Only").
A (Welsh Cob x Arabian) x Thoroughbred breeding that fails to produce a Morgan produces a "Half Thoroughbred".
-------------------------------------
Or, just to get going really fast, there are 6 purebred Morgans for sale, 4 mares and 2 colts. There are 12 purebred Morgan stallions at stud. They are not all close relatives.-------------------------------------
Another point is that a "grade" horse is neutral; mate a Grade mare to, for example, a Lipizzaner stallion and the foal is "Half Lipizzaner" -- but since there is no other breed mentioned, "half" is as good as "pure" for breeding purposes and anywhere else there is a sort-by-breed option (like Rankings sorted by breed, for instance).
If your purebred line has some inherent weaknesses, a careful outcross followed by recrossing to the original breed can improve the next generations. This is how those awesome 6 gold Arabians were produced: not only by refining ACs (breeding the best to the best), but by outbreeding and then inbreeding, first to capture the desired characteristic, later to reinforce it.
Look at the Rankings; sort them for Arabian, and examine the Profiles of some of the top winners. You will actually find one AC mare in there! But she is resting on her previous performances and hasn't gone head-to-head with the new 60-to-70-thousand HGPs out there.
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This horse is the best breeding joke I've ever seen in this game; I don't know how anyone could top it.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/919285
Hope you'll stay with us and find some amusement!