Leopard Patterns - Information and open discussion

[Raikit]

Thought you's might want to look at this little colt. It's still early though...

agouti trial spreader foal


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Is he a bay dun fewspot near leopard (possibly with pangare)?
He's a trial foal, his father is deceased.

But what to do with him? If his color is accurate (and he's not some really weird chestnut I haven't come across yet), is there interest in the community to breed to him? Is he the first (I doubt it), non-chestnut leopard beyond the neck?

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Oh my god, he is! I wish I had some Leopards to try him out with. T_T Congrats!

[Silverine]

Thought you's might want to look at this little colt. It's still early though...

agouti trial spreader foal


Edit #2
Is he a bay dun fewspot near leopard (possibly with pangare)?
He's a trial foal, his father is deceased.

But what to do with him? If his color is accurate (and he's not some really weird chestnut I haven't come across yet), is there interest in the community to breed to him? Is he the first (I doubt it), non-chestnut leopard beyond the neck?

(pinging everybody who's posted)

You lucky duck! I would most definitely love to breed to him when he's older. (And I'd be willing to buy him from you to freeze him if you don't have space when he's getting old. )

[BlackOak2]

You lucky duck! I would most definitely love to breed to him when he's older. (And I'd be willing to buy him from you to freeze him if you don't have space when he's getting old. )

I think there's a good chance I'll take you up on your freezing offer when he's 15 or above.

I don't think I'll keep him in my program (after all, apparently I have the genes required in my herd blood already) and I think I'll make him my first public stud.

I guess I should do him justice enough to see how he performs fully trained and run in competitions as well.

[Silverine]

You lucky duck! I would most definitely love to breed to him when he's older. (And I'd be willing to buy him from you to freeze him if you don't have space when he's getting old. )

I think there's a good chance I'll take you up on your freezing offer when he's 15 or above.

I don't think I'll keep him in my program (after all, apparently I have the genes required in my herd blood already) and I think I'll make him my first public stud.

I guess I should do him justice enough to see how he performs fully trained and run in competitions as well.

Just let me know. I like to freeze all of my progress markers, so I've got quite a little hoard ... erm - "herd" on my second account. XD

And based on his confo and report he might be okay at show jumping. But I don't usually compete anything other than my show line, so I don't know too much about that.

[BlackOak2]

Just let me know. I like to freeze all of my progress markers, so I've got quite a little hoard ... erm - "herd" on my second account. XD

And based on his confo and report he might be okay at show jumping. But I don't usually compete anything other than my show line, so I don't know too much about that.

I usually don't compete any of mine, unless they win in local shows at level ten (about 40% winning and above).
I don't think he'll be anything great, I'm expecting him to struggle quite a bit and not make a level over 8 in any one player made competition, but he should be able to earn a couple champions and grand champions somewhere. I want to give him a good lineup of trial competitions so at least twenty entries in every discipline and obviously more in the ones he shows any talent for at all.

I don't think I'll open him to public stud until he's at least participated in player comps, so he'll be what... 5 years or older by then. Have to see how quick his training goes and how many comps I can get him in and run before stud.

[Silverine]

I usually don't compete any of mine, unless they win in local shows at level ten (about 40% winning and above).
I don't think he'll be anything great, I'm expecting him to struggle quite a bit and not make a level over 8 in any one player made competition, but he should be able to earn a couple champions and grand champions somewhere. I want to give him a good lineup of trial competitions so at least twenty entries in every discipline and obviously more in the ones he shows any talent for at all.

I don't think I'll open him to public stud until he's at least participated in player comps, so he'll be what... 5 years or older by then. Have to see how quick his training goes and how many comps I can get him in and run before stud.

Sounds like a plan. I'm going to leave things in stasis here until he's ready. I won't have any mares to breed to him until after some have had babies, but some of those gals are older and I don't want them to pop and pass before they get to meet him. (But it's no hurry, I don't mind waiting. )

[BlackOak2]

Sounds like a plan. I'm going to leave things in stasis here until he's ready. I won't have any mares to breed to him until after some have had babies, but some of those gals are older and I don't want them to pop and pass before they get to meet him. (But it's no hurry, I don't mind waiting. )

I was tossing around posting him early for a to-watch colt, but I'll wait until he's ready for stud to post the standing ad. There won't be too long a wait, I usually run through about a year a day (sometimes a couple years or more). The tough part is finding some of the competitions. There are still way too many that just don't have the appropriate levels if they even have hosting farms. I may have to host some much needed events on the other account as well as on here and just hope I get appropriate or at least adequate competition to give him a good, round example competition record.
Well, even so, that won't stop his public stud registration. I think I'll keep his price cheap and based entirely on his competition scoring... so as he earns more titles, his stud fee will likewise increase. That seems fair.

[Silverine]

I was tossing around posting him early for a to-watch colt, but I'll wait until he's ready for stud to post the standing ad. There won't be too long a wait, I usually run through about a year a day (sometimes a couple years or more). The tough part is finding some of the competitions. There are still way too many that just don't have the appropriate levels if they even have hosting farms. I may have to host some much needed events on the other account as well as on here and just hope I get appropriate or at least adequate competition to give him a good, round example competition record.
Well, even so, that won't stop his public stud registration. I think I'll keep his price cheap and based entirely on his competition scoring... so as he earns more titles, his stud fee will likewise increase. That seems fair.

Haha. I usually run through at least 4-5 game years when I'm on. Breed, train, local shows, next. And since I'm only ever training one or two horses at a time it doesn't take long.

I'm not strapped for cash so for my part I don't really have an issue with what you put his price at. But I feel like other players pay more greens and golds than they do for championships. (I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I got when putting horses at stud.)

[BlackOak2]

Haha. I usually run through at least 4-5 game years when I'm on. Breed, train, local shows, next. And since I'm only ever training one or two horses at a time it doesn't take long.

I'm not strapped for cash so for my part I don't really have an issue with what you put his price at. But I feel like other players pay more greens and golds than they do for championships. (I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I got when putting horses at stud.)

You're probably very right for what they look for. And if they pay for just golds and greens then he simply won't be used as much, which just means that not every bloodline on HWO would be related to him. One of my peeves is that too many 'living' horses are related to a particular horse, especially if I take a dislike to a stud or a mare line. That's also why I won't be using him in my own bloodline. I have a full brother to him that although he doesn't have as much white extension, he does have a better coverage:
Cresting Rise

But I have a theory I'm working on that an average or even a very poor breeder's report horse can still do exceptionally well in competitions. Well... perhaps 'exceptionally' is a little too strong a word. But if my theory has some substance, than there is much more to the 'competition heart' gene than perhaps we offer it.
I don't expect him to beat out four-plus golded horses, but if he has a good competition heart, I think he can certainly beat out horses that are considered much better than he, based solely on breeder's reports or HGP numbers. I just don't know how far that 'competition heart' can take a horse.

I'm still working on it. Neither the low GP project or the leopard tarpan project has offered a visibly strong hearted horse yet. My other farm has a couple lines that have in the past proven stronger hearted... but I'm on different projects over there.

[Totina]

I am on vacation for one week and there are a lot of good things happening I see. I would definitely like to breed to that bay stallion you got, even for a high stud fee if you want.
I will be slightly off for another week but I will not be completely absent from now on.