More Pearl Shenanigans

[Raikit]

I have this colt:



He has this mother:



And I am completely flummoxed.

The colt I have as an amber cream pearl roan. But his eyes have turned dark with age, so I don't think he's pearl + cream. That would leave him at amber pearl roan because he would have had to have gotten mom's pearl instead of her cream. But then where are his light mane and tail coming from? Can pearl cause this? I thought maybe silver for a moment, then looked at his pedigree and realized he can't have it because he has nowhere to hide it.

Which brings me to his dam. I have her as a classic cream pearl roan. She got pearl from mom and cream+champagne+roan from dad. No silver anywhere in her. Am I correct on her color or is something else going on there?

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Help?! XD

[BlackOak2]

I have this colt:

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Help?! XD

Personally I don't see silver either... but could he have not inherited any agouti or black from his parents? Chestnut would explain the light mane and tail. And perhaps its a possibility although extremely slim. Flaxen could also be hiding there.

[Raikit]

I have this colt:

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Help?! XD

Personally I don't see silver either... but could he have not inherited any agouti or black from his parents? Chestnut would explain the light mane and tail. And perhaps its a possibility although extremely slim. Flaxen could also be hiding there.

Chestnut is possible, but somewhat unlikely. Most of my Vlads don't have recessive extension and he's from those lines. But, again, still possible. That's why I want Totina to weigh in. XD

[BlackOak2]

Chestnut is possible, but somewhat unlikely. Most of my Vlads don't have recessive extension and he's from those lines. But, again, still possible. That's why I want Totina to weigh in. XD

...Seriously looking forward to when at least basic gene testing is added...

[Raikit]

...Seriously looking forward to when at least basic gene testing is added...

Me too.

I took some close-ups of his head and legs. I was thinking bay base because to me his lower legs look more gray-ish and less red-ish than the rest of him. But the roan makes it hard to tell.

[Lcameron]

Perlino

[BlackOak2]

Me too.

I took some close-ups of his head and legs. I was thinking bay base because to me his lower legs look more gray-ish and less red-ish than the rest of him. But the roan makes it hard to tell.

I'm not sure about that, roan can really make a coat appear different than it is, even with the base colors. And pangare can make it that much different yet... forget dun!

By the way, the dun study is coming along, but I want to get enough black, bay, wild bay, brown and chestnuts (and a couple oddity ones, carrying pangare) to get a good example.

Speaking of pangare... if there is any gently expressed pangare hiding in your lines, it could make the colt look a little odd. I have a dun pangare bay that looks almost light enough to be confused as a dark buckskin, or a buckskin dun.

I am using this one as an example in the dun study.

Perlino

Can't be perlino, perlino would offer blue eyes (two cream genes).

[Totina]

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I've been on vacation for a week, which is why I have not been able to give my opinion on his coat colour until now.

Looking at a close up of his thigh area I can clearly see that he is roan. You can see on the darker areas that are slightly shadowed that he has small "stripes" that create a fur-like pattern.

Since the sire was double pearl and the dam was cream-pearl he is definitely double diluted. The dark eyes tell that he is double pearl and not cream-pearl. The freckles on the muzzle is from champagne and it is possible that he has dun as well. The sire looks very light coloured for a bay pearl, which could be caused by the dun gene. Unfortunately the sire has passed away which makes it impossible to zoom in on the horse to see more details.

The slightly darker legs that you mentioned is most likely caused by roan+dun on the body and if he was bay or brown he would have more visible characteristics of those coats. This would mean that he is black and the coat colour would be black pearl champagne with dun and roan.

[Raikit]

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I've been on vacation for a week, which is why I have not been able to give my opinion on his coat colour until now.

Looking at a close up of his thigh area I can clearly see that he is roan. You can see on the darker areas that are slightly shadowed that he has small "stripes" that create a fur-like pattern.

Since the sire was double pearl and the dam was cream-pearl he is definitely double diluted. The dark eyes tell that he is double pearl and not cream-pearl. The freckles on the muzzle is from champagne and it is possible that he has dun as well. The sire looks very light coloured for a bay pearl, which could be caused by the dun gene. Unfortunately the sire has passed away which makes it impossible to zoom in on the horse to see more details.

The slightly darker legs that you mentioned is most likely caused by roan+dun on the body and if he was bay or brown he would have more visible characteristics of those coats. This would mean that he is black and the coat colour would be black pearl champagne with dun and roan.

That's alright. I hope you enjoyed your vacation.

I'm fairly certain that Tethered does not have dun. Even at max zoom I see no dorsal stripe or even faint bars on the legs, just his roaning. I could be wrong, but I do usually see those things when zoomed all the way in. My main issue with him was the white mane and tail. Can pearl cause that lightening on a black base?

And then he has this filly out of an apricot mare:



I have her listed as an Apricot Champagne on the assumption that dad was red-based as well as mom. But if he's actually black it's possible she's Classic Pearl. But she doesn't look like another horse I have labelled as Classic Pearl, so I'm still more inclined to think apricot:



This filly is another reason I didn't think Tethered wasn't black but was instead bay or brown. He just had too much red in him.

[Totina]

That's alright. I hope you enjoyed your vacation.

I'm fairly certain that Tethered does not have dun. Even at max zoom I see no dorsal stripe or even faint bars on the legs, just his roaning. I could be wrong, but I do usually see those things when zoomed all the way in. My main issue with him was the white mane and tail. Can pearl cause that lightening on a black base?

And then he has this filly out of an apricot mare:



I have her listed as an Apricot Champagne on the assumption that dad was red-based as well as mom. But if he's actually black it's possible she's Classic Pearl. But she doesn't look like another horse I have labelled as Classic Pearl, so I'm still more inclined to think apricot:

I have not yet experimented with pearl + champagne that much but I think she is too dark to be apricot champagne. I think that double pearl + champagne can give lighter coloured manes on black horses as well, just as a double cream + champagne on a bay horse will give lighter mane and tail.