Registries Discussion

[larissar]

I'm in the early planning stage for registries. They probably won't be added until a number of other things are finished first but I know some of you have a better understanding of how registries function in real life and can maybe make some suggestions about what you'd like to see in HWO.

I've started a google doc here:
https://docs.google.com/a/wincirclegame ... sp=sharing

Have a glad over and let me know your suggestions. Nothing is set in stone, this is an early draft and braindstorming document.

The basic idea is that there will be X number of registry admins who are responsible for approving horses, maintaining the breed standard and hosting breed shows.

Some criteria for approval can be automatically graded (example: performance results, registry criteria would state what disciplines and what minimum wins/points/whatever), while other criteria would be manually approve (example: colour, conformation, etc.)

Some points I haven't made any decisions on yet is:
- who can create a registry?
- should there be only one registry per breed?
- how should new breeds registries be handled? who should be allowed to admin a custom breed registry?

[larissar]

I'd like to keep the discussion in this thread instead of in the google doc itself. This way I can keep the google doc current with only the things decided on instead of conversations. So any suggestions you make in this topic I'll add to the google doc.

A couple questions to help with discussions:

1) If you were running a registry what would you want to be able to set for various criteria? How would you like to handle registrations? etc.

2) If you are registering a horse, or watching a registry, what sort of information would you like available as a breeder? As a competitor? As a trainer?

[Argent]

I know of no registry that has performance requirements for purebred horses. I know that the AQHA allows TB-QH stallions or mares to be registered as purebred if they perform exceptionally well. To my knowledge, all warmblood registries, and some non-WB registries, do not allow full privileges to horses that have not been approved. This generally means that that horse's offspring cannot be registered until the horse has passed inspection and/or achieved a high performance record. But as long as both parents are registered, any foal is automatically allowed to be registered.

1. Registries for game-created breeds should be created by the game itself, with players be elected as officials. Player-created breeds should be run by the player who created the breed, and they should be able to elect officials to help.

2. There is only one registry for the majority of real life breeds (or at least one respected registry), with the exception of international sub-registries that are headed by one organization. One case of multiple registries for one breed is the Lipizzan in the USA, and as I recall, this has actually caused problems because the international governing body for the breed will not or was not fully recognizing Lips here because there were two registries.

3. Answered in #1 mostly: the breed creator is in charge of the breed registry, unless they elect someone else to be president, I suppose (but it should still be owned by them, even if it is run by someone else).

4. If it were my registry, I would want to be able to set color and height restrictions, a breed standard, allow only the offspring of already registered horses to be registered automatically, set up an approval system to add new horses without registered parents, and require certain levels of purebreeding.
I would like to be able to structure color restrictions so that some colors are fully accepted and others are partially accepted: Using Paints/Appies as an example, patterned horses would be fully accepted while solid horses would be allowed as breeding stock only (I believe the APHA has recently shifted toward regarding solid horses as "equal citizens" but they still have certain extra requirements for showing/racing). The option to ccept horses for showing only would be interesting.
Height restrictions should be max and/or min.
I would be great if breed standards would be set in a format like the horse demo, where you created the "perfect" horse of your breed. When horses went through inspection or competed in breed conformation classes, they would be rated against this ideal.
Ideally, horses would only be allowed to automatically enter a registry if both parents are already registered. Horses without registered parents would have to be evaluated by officials before they could enter. Some of the evaluation could be automated -- horses would be listed for manual inspection only after meeting height, type, pure-breeding, and color/gene requirements, and the officials would mostly be vetting pedigrees and performance records.

5. I'm not sure what you mean by this question, but I will try to answer based on my interpretation. Essentially, regardless of my occupation, I would want to know a horse's performance record, ranking relative to others in the registry (overall, by birth cohort, by discipline, and by gender), the performance records of its relatives (parents, half siblings, offspring), and health history (to make sure I'm not breeding to a frail horse, or to see if frailness runs in the family of a horse I'm thinking of training). On top of that, as a breeder, I would want to know the horse's fertility and color genes.

[Argent]

Foal Status

Maybe call it preliminary?

Premium Status
Horses who are 3+ generations of pure breeding with 75% or greater ancestors with Full Status
Meet the minimum performance requirement as determined by the registry
Meet the minimum inspection rating

1. Minimum level of competition and/or score?
2. Min inspection requirements would have to be met for Full Status, so I think Premium horses should require higher scores. For example, in one warmblood registry, a horse must score at least a 5 in all areas for Full Status and at least a 6 in all areas for premium status.

Elite Premium Status
Premium Status mares who have at least 3 Premium Status foals

Warmbloods have "Preferent" and "Keur" ratings for horses based on performance and production. These are for stallions and mares (stallions should of course require more foals, maybe 25?). I was wrong about the way mares earned a Hornby: they win based on their own merits (125/145 score at inspection), but they must have a purebred foal at their side when scored (if they score between 120-124, the foal may be taken into account). If they win 3 times, they are rated Hornby Select. Oldenburgs have awards for foals: if rated above average at inspection, they earn "premium foal" status, and if they are a colt, they may be rated "stallion prospect". Page 7 of the OHBS Rulebook has a listing of their ratings.


Additional: Allow registries to set naming requirements. Character limits (like TBs - 18 letters); letter of the "year" (warmbloods do this -- all foals born in a certain year have names starting with a particular letter; for HWO purposes, this could be by week or presidential term); naming conventions (like Lipis, with the two part names for males and single names for females, with variations).

EDIT: it's also worth noting that many registries aren't nearly this complicated and simply register purebred horses and horses with one purebred registered parent, without the rankings and award. but I think they're more fun

EDIT AGAIN: Registered prefixes could be fun

[larissar]

Updated the google doc with your suggestions but simplified some things.

I don't think I'm going to add the naming restrictions, thats complicating things a bit too much. Players will likely come up with their own naming systems but registries are free to make naming suggestions.

I assume by registry prefixes you mean in the horses name correct? We've got a space limitation in that horse name spot and I've got plans for titles awarded based on point accumulation which will be going in that spot. But I plan on putting some kind of prefix or icon listed with the breed name to quickly identify top horses.

[Argent]

Not the breed name, but the breeder's farm name

[Argent]

Partial Registered Status
Horses with a one registered parent and one parent from the approved off-breed list (defaults to all breeds)

And partbred horses with one registered parent and one partially registered parent

[larissar]

And partbred horses with one registered parent and one partially registered parent

Added.

[Argent]

Registry Admin Actions:
Update link to current Mega Thread (only one active per registry, game admin must create new and lock old), old mega threads kept in an archive
create registry shows (bonus points and purses, only registered horses can enter)
edit breed standards (all changes posted to mega thread automatically)
approve horses
rank horses
update layout

And names? Again, for the sake of preventing people from stealing affixes and to prevent people from using unregistered affixes, but also to make sure names are not inappropriate or misspelled. Reviewers would have to give a reason why a name was not accepted so owners could make revisions.

Registered Status
Foals who’s parents are both Full Status, they are automatically registered into the Foal Book but must still be approved to become Full Status
Horses who are first generation crosses
Purebred foals with one Full parent and one Partial parent

First generation crosses that have been reviewed (to make sure they aren't bringing in unwanted genes and are of good type)
Horses from the adoption center are automatically registered into the Foal Book or maybe "Full Book" (I think Mare and Stallion Books would sound better) because iirc adoption center horses are based on the registered population and therefore would naturally adhere to standard and be of accepted colors.

Partial Registered Status
Horses with a one registered parent and one parent from the approved off-breed list (defaults to all breeds)
Non-Purebred foals with one Full parent and one Partial parent

Perhaps with the option to require that the purebred parent is Approved?

[larissar]

And names? Again, for the sake of preventing people from stealing affixes and to prevent people from using unregistered affixes, but also to make sure names are not inappropriate or misspelled. Reviewers would have to give a reason why a name was not accepted so owners could make revisions.

Farm Name Prefixes will be a game-wide thing, not a registry specific thing.
Inappropriate names should be reported to me, or a mod, and again not handled through the registry.
I don't want reviewers to not allow a horse to be registered because of it's name. So there can be naming suggestions, but ultimately it's up to the player who owns the horse what they want to name it.

First generation crosses that have been reviewed (to make sure they aren't bringing in unwanted genes and are of good type)
Horses from the adoption center are automatically registered into the Foal Book or maybe "Full Book" (I think Mare and Stallion Books would sound better) because iirc adoption center horses are based on the registered population and therefore would naturally adhere to standard and be of accepted colors.

First generation crosses can get the 'Registered' (previously Foal) Status without inspection but would still need to be inspected to be awarded 'Approved' (previously Full) Status. Same applies for Adoption Center horses because, in the beginning especially, there may be lots of unwanted genes available in the gene pool still, and also because Adoption Center horses will still have some element of random on some genes (not the major ones) which could make them not 100% within the desired ranges. So inspection would still be necessary.

Perhaps with the option to require that the purebred parent is Approved?

Full and Approved are the same, I just changed the name but I guess I didn't make all the changes in the document.