The Unethical Practice of Restricting Breeder Access to Purchased Studs

[HighGlossPreformance]

The Unethical Practice of Restricting Breeder Access to Purchased Studs

Hi everyone,

I wanted to take a moment to talk about something that’s on my mind.—something that I believe is deeply unethical and goes against the very heart of what makes HorseWorldOnline such a great community. That issue is the practice of buying a stud and then not allowing the previous owner or breeder to use that stud, despite their right to do so.

As someone who has spent countless hours breeding horses, it’s not just about the animals—it’s about the care, time, and effort we all put into creating something special. When I work on breeding a champion, it’s a project I pour my energy into, hoping that one day it will succeed and perhaps even be used by others to create even more incredible horses. But when someone buys that stud and restricts access to it, I can’t help but feel that the heart and spirit of breeding is being ignored.

For those of us who put so much effort into breeding, it’s not just about the $$$$$$$$—it’s about the connection we have with the horses we create and the friends we make on this game. We pour our time and passion into these lines, and the idea that someone could take that away just because they now own the stud feels like a complete disregard for the hard work and dedication we’ve put in.

I’ve been in a situation where I’ve sold a studs, and I had hoped that the buyer would understand the importance of letting the breeder and previous owner have access to use that animal for future generations. It’s disheartening when that doesn’t happen, and it feels like a slap in the face—because, as breeders, we deserve that chance to continue working with what we’ve created. We deserve to continue to grow our lines and improve our horses, and it just doesn’t feel right when we’re blocked from doing so.

Think about it—if we don’t share studs, we’re creating a breeding environment that doesn’t allow for growth. We’re limiting the ability of the community to progress, to improve, and to make fresh, exciting horses. We’re also cutting off the opportunity for the breeder to keep building on their legacy. When we refuse to allow a breeder or previous owner to use a stud they worked so hard to create, we’re essentially saying that their contribution doesn’t matter, that their work has no value beyond the sale.

It’s so important that we recognize that breeding isn’t just about collecting studs or winning competitions—it’s about the spirit of collaboration, the excitement of improving lines, and the respect we all have for the time and effort others put into their breeding programs. [u]When we withhold access to a stud, we’re not just hurting the breeder—we’re hurting the entire community. We’re taking away the opportunity for others to improve their horses and to make their own marks on the game.[/u]

I know that HorseWorldOnline is about more than just the horses—it’s about the people who make this community what it is. And that’s why I believe we all deserve better than to have our hard work dismissed. We should all have the opportunity to continue improving our horses and our breeding lines. We should all be able to look at the horses we’ve bred and feel proud knowing that we still have the chance to use them, to make them better, and to share in the excitement of seeing others build on that legacy.

. Let’s remember that breeding is about more than just creating record-holding horses, it’s about the connections we build and the respect we have for one another’s hard work. Let’s not let the system become one where only a few hold all the best HORSES and the rest of us are left without the chance to grow. We owe it to ourselves, to our fellow players, and to the community to keep things fair, ethical, and respectful.

Thank you for listening. I truly hope we can work together to make HorseWorldOnline a place where every breeder has the chance to continue creating and improving, no matter who owns the horses.

Let's bring back ethics and morals, & stop ruining the game for others.

[Argent]

You don’t have the right to do anything with a horse you do not own. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Shadow Scar]

I completely don't agree with this. When I buy a stallion/mare I’m now the owner of that horse so, I have every right to now decide who I do or don’t breed them to.
That's like selling a car and still expecting to be able to drive it whenever you want even though its not yours.

[lemoncypress]

This isn't people being unfair, it's people having the rights to the horse after it's been bought. Unless there is a contract wrote up the person who bought the horse can do whatever they please with it. As shadow said it's like selling a car once it's sold you can't expect to call the person up and say I want my car back so I can drive it.

[Mintyy]

This isn't people being unfair, it's people having the rights to the horse after it's been bought. Unless there is a contract wrote up the person who bought the horse can do whatever they please with it. As shadow said it's like selling a car once it's sold you can't expect to call the person up and say I want my car back so I can drive it.

THIS

[BlackRiver_Breeding]

This isn't people being unfair, it's people having the rights to the horse after it's been bought. Unless there is a contract wrote up the person who bought the horse can do whatever they please with it. As shadow said it's like selling a car once it's sold you can't expect to call the person up and say I want my car back so I can drive it.

THIS

EXACTLY

[littlemissbrooks]

truth to that ..I'm new to the game and understand ..

[BlackOak2]

This was well written.

I see both sides and agree with both sides. Personally, any horse I purchased that was bred, I always offer access to it (for the breeder), though I don't say it. But it's also true when a horse is purchased, that it belongs to the new player.

The best I can say is that to never sell a horse you want to always have access to. However, the sale of a horse doesn't automatically deny access to it. Things can be agreed to before the sale.

And then. 'The best horses on this game' is an odd statement. In the grand scheme of things (and as long as you have a handle on what you're doing), it's decently easy to make a bloodline into a record-holding bloodline. Not all of the records are as hard to beat as the racing and sprint records. So making a rather ugly line into record-areas isn't too long a stretch. Even if we're only piddling around on the game.

So, I agree that a breeder should have access to the horses they bred... to a point. But I also don't sell horses I'm not thoroughly done with either.

Don't feel too poorly about it, I know the frustration can be detrimental. But one must also remember, selling a horse that you bred and then gets restricted should be considered positive, the work, after all, is being selfishly kept private.

[Ms. Trouble Maker]

Ooof heated topic. lol I’ve been apart of this community since 2014. Nowhere does HWO online state that we need to share studs. Once it leave your possession, that’s it, it’s a done deal. I’ve sold studs for up to $1,000,000 for Endurance prospects because they have a 90% win out of 300 competitions. That person who paid that much doesn’t owe me crap. once someone offers to buy and I accept, it’s out of my hands with what they do with the horse.

Also why I tell people to think long and hard about what you sell, what you offer to stud and what you do.
If you still wanted to use that stud, maybe a stud ad would’ve been better than outright selling.

My 2nd account has some horses on it that are superior Endurance master champions with 300+ starts and 80-100% wins. That’s something I spent years on. Not just a couple days. I offer them up for stud for $300,000. Not even for sale. Why?? Because I spent years perfecting those. And now I don’t even have the heart to skip a day. lol they’re nearly for show. It’s some of my best work I’ve ever achieved.

I don’t understand the need to share. I have collaborated with a few people in the past yes! But that’s with 1-2 people, sharing studs back and forth. If you spent 3 years getting the perfect horse to get a 90% win rate on 300 Endurance competitions….. the last thing you’re gonna do is just let someone breed Willy nilly or “share” if I offer a stallion for stud, that doesn’t make the other persons goal half mine, that doesn’t mean I own 50% of that foal; just not how it works.

Each person HAS to prove their commitment, do the grind, and do your own work and think before clicking that button.

This game was never supposed to be easy, it is by far the most in depth and real life horse game you’ll ever find out there.

The true beauty of this game is that every horse is unique, every person has their own goals. That what you want and crave so badly from another player, makes you strive to be better, to look at their horses and see what they’re doing that maybe you’re not doing. Orrrrr maybe you come up with your own niche.

[Courtney_]

Respectfully I disagree.

As soon as you sell a horse, you lose the rights to it. The buyer doesn't owe the seller anything, as it's no longer the seller's horse. If a horse is that vital for your projects, don't sell it but rather put it up for stud.

Unrelated, but the same goes for people who constantly flood the forums with pings to "re-add their brands" to horses that no longer belong to them.

Edited to add I didn't see the original date of this thread when it was revived, whoops.