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[Jewels Training]

My racing record holder:

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3944976

I brought him out of retirement to see how the new feeding system would affect him. I couldn't change his temperament, even after I changed to 100% yellow corn. I had him on yellow corn for nearly around 15-20 turns and nothing changed.

He was born even-tempered.

Question: Will horses born bombproof now be able to change temperaments? They've all been stuck at there for as long as I've played.

[Jewels Training]

Following on from Tom's reply to you - if your horses were born at Calm or Bombproof they will no longer be able to reach High Strung. They need to be born at Even-Tempered or higher to reach High Strung now.

Where can I find more information on this?

If a horse is born calm. can it reach spirited? And where on the spectrum of spirited does it stop changing? Is it when it first turns to spirited (if so, 90% of my racehorses just became useless) or at the very end of the spectrum of spirited (in which case my life just became so much easier)?

Prior to this, I was only able to tell where my horses were on the spirited spectrum was when they changed to high strung. Now I have no idea where they are. A gauge of some sort that indicates just how spirited they are, (and I am sure other temperaments as well for other types of horses) would be really important to have. Also would be important to have some indication that you have reached max temperament.

[BlackOak2]

Following on from Tom's reply to you - if your horses were born at Calm or Bombproof they will no longer be able to reach High Strung. They need to be born at Even-Tempered or higher to reach High Strung now.

Where can I find more information on this?

If a horse is born calm. can it reach spirited? And where on the spectrum of spirited does it stop changing? Is it when it first turns to spirited (if so, 90% of my racehorses just became useless) or at the very end of the spectrum of spirited (in which case my life just became so much easier)?

Prior to this, I was only able to tell where my horses were on the spirited spectrum was when they changed to high strung. Now I have no idea where they are. A gauge of some sort that indicates just how spirited they are, (and I am sure other temperaments as well for other types of horses) would be really important to have. Also would be important to have some indication that you have reached max temperament.

This issue is kind of a game killer for me.

I had quite a bit of success, breeding for higher temperaments when I put my broods in a barn and fed them corn (this was awhile ago and I did start with calm stock that eventually turned into bombproof stock before I caught on). Although it took a couple generations, I did breed the line out of bombproof and eventually into the spirited birth area. I don't know if this is built into the game or not or if it was simply some other game mechanic at work, but it worked for me.

I don't know calling it a 'Game killer' is appropriate when there are ways to still proceed in the game. Just need to adjust your breeding a bit more. I'd suggest calling it a slap to the face instead. You know, that 'D'Oh!' moment.

I hope it helps.

[Jewels Training]

Where can I find more information on this?

If a horse is born calm. can it reach spirited? And where on the spectrum of spirited does it stop changing? Is it when it first turns to spirited (if so, 90% of my racehorses just became useless) or at the very end of the spectrum of spirited (in which case my life just became so much easier)?

Prior to this, I was only able to tell where my horses were on the spirited spectrum was when they changed to high strung. Now I have no idea where they are. A gauge of some sort that indicates just how spirited they are, (and I am sure other temperaments as well for other types of horses) would be really important to have. Also would be important to have some indication that you have reached max temperament.

This issue is kind of a game killer for me.

I had quite a bit of success, breeding for higher temperaments when I put my broods in a barn and fed them corn (this was awhile ago and I did start with calm stock that eventually turned into bombproof stock before I caught on). Although it took a couple generations, I did breed the line out of bombproof and eventually into the spirited birth area. I don't know if this is built into the game or not or if it was simply some other game mechanic at work, but it worked for me.

I don't know calling it a 'Game killer' is appropriate when there are ways to still proceed in the game. Just need to adjust your breeding a bit more. I'd suggest calling it a slap to the face instead. You know, that 'D'Oh!' moment.

I hope it helps.

I've never had a problem with temperament until yesterday. I've never kept bombproof horses simply because they were frozen there. This has been the case for at least the past seven years, though I noticed that the bombproof grinder I had in my barn has suddenly jumped to even-tempered. (Which is great).

Temperament is something a horse is born with and feeding them in a barn will change their temperament based on the amount of sugar they are fed. It does not, however, change what the horse is born with or what it passes on to its offspring. Regardless of whether a horse becomes high strung, if it was born calm, it will pass the calm gene on to its foals.

[Tom]

We are still working on changes to the feeding system. I think we can give players a little more feedback of the current temperament of a horse and that should help. Larissa did fix the bug keeping horses at bombproof, along with some other bugs.
The goal is to make it so breeding for temperament is something players have to do rather than just feeding any horse to the desired temperament, so you may have to introduce some new blood to your lines in order to reach your goals now.

And the game works on genes, so feeding does not have an effect on breeding.

[Argent]

We are still working on changes to the feeding system. I think we can give players a little more feedback of the current temperament of a horse and that should help. Larissa did fix the bug keeping horses at bombproof, along with some other bugs.
The goal is to make it so breeding for temperament is something players have to do rather than just feeding any horse to the desired temperament, so you may have to introduce some new blood to your lines in order to reach your goals now.

And the game works on genes, so feeding does not have an effect on breeding.

Can you speak to the observation regarding horses performing best on the cusp of moving into a different temperament? It's probably safe to assume that temps are on a spectrum, but is is true that horse can score differently at the high end of, for example, spirited, vs the low end?

[Tom]

The actual temperament of a horse is much finer than the wording given. Larissa and I are discussing adding more words to give the players a finer idea of what the actual temperament of a horse is, but we don't want to just give an exact number. So yes a horse could perform better at the upper end of spirited vs the low end of spirited.

[Jewels Training]

The actual temperament of a horse is much finer than the wording given. Larissa and I are discussing adding more words to give the players a finer idea of what the actual temperament of a horse is, but we don't want to just give an exact number. So yes a horse could perform better at the upper end of spirited vs the low end of spirited.

That would be fantastic.

However, after further testing of my horses that were born even-tempered and now seem to be stuck at spirited, their performance indicates that they are stuck at the low-end of spirited. Here is another example.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4311850

This colt used to run at max speed of 2.12.58 (untrained) in local shows.

I tested him for an entire year while feeding him yellow corn and his max speed now is 2.13.38. This indicates a low spirited range to me.

Can you give more specific information regarding the min/max temperament changes that were just implemented?

What are the min/max of each specific temperament? Where on the spectrum of each temperament will the specific temperament stop changing and does that depend on where on the spectrum the horse was born at? So would a foal born at the low-end of even-tempered max out at low-end of spirited?

I have checked on all my horses that were born even-tempered and were high strung. After sleeping one turn, they immediately jumped down to spirited. So even-tempered horses cannot become high strung and seem to be stuck at the low end of spirited. Is this by intent?

[Tom]

I will get Larissa to look at the numbers for you. Maybe they can be adjusted.

[Jewels Training]

The goal is to make it so breeding for temperament is something players have to do rather than just feeding any horse to the desired temperament, so you may have to introduce some new blood to your lines in order to reach your goals now.

And the game works on genes, so feeding does not have an effect on breeding.

Regarding introducing new blood to our lines. The birth temperament of a horse needs to be displayed somewhere permanently, otherwise its not possible for us to know what genes we're passing on to our horses. This info is no where to be found on most horses in the game unless the player put it in the notes.

I always do this, but almost nobody else does, and even if they do, are they telling the truth? This is a huge change that has drastic ramifications and I've seen many dishonest ads on the market/stud registry. I wouldn't put my faith in a horse because the breeder "said so" in real life, or in this game.

Temperament of an unknown horse could range anywhere from high strung because the player hasn't aged the horse a turn since the update, to actually being high strung, or the horse could be displaying as even-tempered but was actually born bombproof and is on a high sugar diet. There's no point in taking a change on an unknown variable like this.

That rules out breeding to the stallions at stud, or buying horses on the market.

Does the temperament displayed on foundation stock when you first adopt them indicate their actual temperament?

Even if it does, adding foundation stock with their low breeding and conformation reports will drag my horses down and require years and years of breeding to bring them up again. It was already sad when I got a really decent horse that had a bombproof temperament and I had to rehome it. Now I'll have to rehome anything that isn't at least spirited.

None of my horses born with even-temperament seem to be able to attain the last turn of spirited and are running at least a half a second slower then they were and this includes my world record holders.

It's very disheartening.