At loss with some of these dilutions

[SelHukka]

Hi! Sometimes I feel like I'm slowly getting the hang of things when it comes to indetifying colors, but then I get foals that have me questioning or make me lose my mind completely :D So I'd really appreciate if someone could verify what I'm guessing, or help when I have no idea.

I used these two guides as reference:
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1. ᛄᚢᛏ Cirrus

I'm thinking apricot champagne (chestnut + champagne + 2 pearl) because of the dark eyes and the slight warm saturation of her fur. Doesn't seem like 1 cream + 1 pearl or 2 cream, she should have blue eyes then right? And she seems too light to be just gold champagne (chestnut + champagne).

2. ᛄᚢᛏ Funkeln

Wild dunskin tobiano (wild bay + 1 cream + dun + tobiano)? She just seems darker than other dunskins I've had, but too light for a normal dun.

3. ᛄᚢᛏ Schwarze Augen

Mayyyybe sable pearl (brown + champagne + 2 pearl)? I see that he's brown based but I've never had a color like his. Again, I doubt the 2 cream or 1 cream + 1 pearl combo, since he doens't have blue eyes.

4. ᛄᚢᛏ Ich Spüre Dich

She's just so light that I can't figure her out. Her sire is blindingly white, while her dam is a dunskin. I see she has faint dun stripes, champagne dots, and geenish-blue eyes. Could she be chestnut based, since her mane has a warm hue?

5. ᛄᚢᛏ Lux

Just gold champagne dun?

6. ᛄᚢᛏ Licht

Palomino pearl tobiano with pangare? He seems too dark and saturated to me to be a cremello. BUT what is that faint dappling on him???

7. ♢ ‣A‣ ♢ Lothlórien's Dessert

Sooty gold cream (chestnut + champagne + 1 cream + sooty)?

8. ᛄᚢᛏ Kreuz

She is giving me a headache. Black based because of the dapples? And silver because of the light mane. There's also champagne and some other dilutions, maybe 1 cream + 1 pearl because of the warm saturation? Could she possibly be something like black + champagne + 1 cream + 1 pearl + silver? And how do you even call such a combination?

9. ᛄᚢᛏ Zähnen

Do you think she's a gold champagne dun, or just gold champagne?

[brettdiesel]

#6 is a Dappled palamino i think

[Silverine]

1. Cirrus is Gold Cream - chestnut + champagne + 1x cream. He got the champagne from dad and the cream from mom. He may have dun, but it's extremely faint if so.

2. You are correct - Buckskin Dun. Bay + dun + 1x cream. She also has sooty, which is what is making her darker.

3. Not a sable pearl. Mom has cream, so can't have hidden pearl. He is Sable Cream - brown + champagne + 1x cream.

4. Silver Classic Cream Pearl - black + champagne + silver + cream/pearl combo. The sire is double pearl. So she got a pearl from the sire and a cream the dam. She will always pass either a cream or a pearl.

5. Yes, but with flaxen.

6. Silver Smoky Cream Pearl - black + silver + cream/pearl combo. Same as #4 but without the champagne. The dapples come from the silver gene. (Also this one's mother is Brown Cream Dun, not Smoky Cream Dun - brown base, not black.)

7. You are correct as far as I can tell.

8. Silver Classic Dun - black + silver + champagne + dun. Carries a hidden pearl from the sire.

9. Definitely dun. And flaxen.

[SelHukka]

Wow, thanks so much for your advice! So a horse can't be a hidden pearl carrier if there's cream present? Or am I completely misunderstanding this

[Silverine]

Wow, thanks so much for your advice! Didn't know before that a horse can't be a hidden pearl carrier if there's cream present. This helps a lot, cheers!

Yeah, that's a common mistake people make.

So cream and pearl are located at the same spot on the chromosome. Each spot can only have two things. So for cream and pearl your options are:
-No cream or pearl
-One cream only
-One pearl only
-Two creams
-Two pearls
-One cream and one pearl

[SelHukka]

Ohhh okay this makes a lot more sense now. Thank you!