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I thought....

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I thought this gal was amber champagne, but I don't see speckles on her nose :? What color would she be?

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Re: I thought....

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horsegirl008~2 wrote:I thought this gal was amber champagne, but I don't see speckles on her nose :? What color would she be?

Nvm lol, never been good at colors
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Re: I thought....

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She's a Silver something. Silver turns coats that kind of beige/golden tint and also explains the mottling of the coat.

I'm not that good past that when it comes to silver; a lot of similar coats look the same when it's involved. She seems too dark to be a double cream champagne I think? But it also might be possible? I'd love to be more specific with this but my internet is not loading things very well at all right now and my references are useless because of it.

I know that the Sire's color is incorrect; Gold Champagnes are very gold and he's very pale. It's possible he's a Cremello Champagne that's gone white with varnish? All of his foals are champagne which means he might be homozygous for it, but he could just be getting lucky with passing one gene down.

It's possible that this lady'll have one cream gene and one champagne gene from him. The eyes look grey on both of them which suggests no tiger eye. If that's the case then she must be double cream? Which is possible since both parents have cream. I'm not sure if Silver Perlino Champagne could be the answer; again she seems to dark to be double cream champagne.

It's possible that she's not champagne at all and might be a Silver Smoky Cream. That's my guess, but I'm not very sure.

Someone with more experience will be able to offer a more definitive answer I think.
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horsegirl008~2 Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:01 am Posts: 208

Re: I thought....

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EclipticEnd wrote:She's a Silver something. Silver turns coats that kind of beige/golden tint and also explains the mottling of the coat.

I'm not that good past that when it comes to silver; a lot of similar coats look the same when it's involved. She seems too dark to be a double cream champagne I think? But it also might be possible? I'd love to be more specific with this but my internet is not loading things very well at all right now and my references are useless because of it.

I know that the Sire's color is incorrect; Gold Champagnes are very gold and he's very pale. It's possible he's a Cremello Champagne that's gone white with varnish? All of his foals are champagne which means he might be homozygous for it, but he could just be getting lucky with passing one gene down.

It's possible that this lady'll have one cream gene and one champagne gene from him. The eyes look grey on both of them which suggests no tiger eye. If that's the case then she must be double cream? Which is possible since both parents have cream. I'm not sure if Silver Perlino Champagne could be the answer; again she seems to dark to be double cream champagne.

It's possible that she's not champagne at all and might be a Silver Smoky Cream. That's my guess, but I'm not very sure.

Someone with more experience will be able to offer a more definitive answer I think.
It's a mystery :lol:
I'll just put down silver smoky cream for the moment. Thanks!
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horsegirl008~2 wrote:It's a mystery :lol:
I'll just put down silver smoky cream for the moment. Thanks!
If no one else has a better answer for you by the time she has some foals then ping me again; it'll be easier to tell her color once we see what she's passed down to her progeny.
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Her pedigree shows some interesting triple and double dilutes as well as solids.
She may be double cream, but she may also be cream and pearl.

If you pair her with a flat black (with no cream genes) and she throws a non-smoky foal, then your horse is a pearl carrier.
You can also do this with a chestnut. In fact, the chestnut might be easier to do. You won't need to deal with silver then. But that's assuming your horse is an E/e and not a double E... pedigree suggests she has a fair chance to be an E/E.

A smoky foal appears grayish in shade while a flat black foal has a reddish shade. Of course, silver can be a problem to that...

Silverine was working closely with these double and triple dilutes - cream versus pearl versus cream & pearl - but is currently on hiatus. There are others, but my memory is a bit fuzzy on exactly who may be able to give you a direct answer immediately.

Anyway. No champagne. Black base. Remember - dapples from silver are always paired with black.
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horsegirl008~2 Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:01 am Posts: 208

Re: I thought....

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EclipticEnd wrote:
horsegirl008~2 wrote:It's a mystery :lol:
I'll just put down silver smoky cream for the moment. Thanks!
If no one else has a better answer for you by the time she has some foals then ping me again; it'll be easier to tell her color once we see what she's passed down to her progeny.
Sounds good, thank you!
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Re: I thought....

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BlackOak2 wrote:Her pedigree shows some interesting triple and double dilutes as well as solids.
She may be double cream, but she may also be cream and pearl.

If you pair her with a flat black (with no cream genes) and she throws a non-smoky foal, then your horse is a pearl carrier.
You can also do this with a chestnut. In fact, the chestnut might be easier to do. You won't need to deal with silver then. But that's assuming your horse is an E/e and not a double E... pedigree suggests she has a fair chance to be an E/E.

A smoky foal appears grayish in shade while a flat black foal has a reddish shade. Of course, silver can be a problem to that...

Silverine was working closely with these double and triple dilutes - cream versus pearl versus cream & pearl - but is currently on hiatus. There are others, but my memory is a bit fuzzy on exactly who may be able to give you a direct answer immediately.

Anyway. No champagne. Black base. Remember - dapples from silver are always paired with black.
Thanks for the info :)

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