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RoseWood CheeseDale

Rosewood My Crimson Tater

Rosewood Cowgirl Ember

Rosewood Fireball Got Honey

Rosewood Chipped Spice

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I started answering this and then my computer had to restart and I lost everything I'd typed up, so here's try #2. I tend to type as I problem solve, so I'll put my thought process in little font under each horse's name. You're welcome to ignore it if you'd like as it is pretty long, or you can read through it for some insight into some of your horses' ancestors. Please forgive my alternating capitalization of colors and such; I try to capitalize actual colors and lowercase genes when applicable. This is the best my sleuthing can do; hopefully it's all correct but definitely double check if someone else posts a reply as well.

RoseWood CheeseDale (note, that W is in fact capital in her name) is, to the best of my knowledge, a Grey Silver Smoky Cream. (Ee or else ee/aa/CrCr or else Crn/ChCh or else Chn/Zn/Gg)
The fact that she's already Grey as well as the fact that her non-grey picture is so small make this a bit uncertain for me. Regardless, her genetics will be more clear after she has her foal, as she's been paired with a Black horse, which is great for figuring out dilutions. I'm not sure if she has a black gene or not (best test would be to pair her with a plain Chestnut a couple of times to see if you get a black based foal), nor if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream and champagne. I tried my best, though! : ) Hopefully I didn't accidentally miss some pearl.

We know she is either one or two cream champagne due to how pale the freckles are around her eyes and nose. We know that white doesn't show well under grey, so we're unsure of Tobiano or Blanket. Her foal picture is too small to determine this either; she's so pale that it might be blending in very well to her color, and she's currently covered in Grey.

---Her sire ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends is a Gold Cream Blanket (ee/aa/Crn/Chn). She will have inherited one non-black gene (e) from him as well as possibly cream.
---Her dam Rosewood Blue Snow also only has a small picture of when she was a foal. Luckily as she's grey, her coloration is that of an adult horse in the picture; we know she's very pale, either one or two cream, probably champagne. We'll have to dive into her parents and foals for more information. After research into her genetics, it seems she is either a Grey Silver Classic Cream or a Grey Silver Smoky Cream; I'm unsure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream. (Ee/aa/Crn or CrCr/Chn/Zn/Gg)
------Her sire MRS Sweet Enchantment is mis-colored; he is noted as a Smoky Cream Champagne (black with two creams) when I believe he is just a a Classic Cream (black with one cream) (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn). His sire supports this: he's a Flaxen Gold Champagne Tobiano, meaning no cream could've passed from one side (ee/aa/nn/Chn). His dam is a Smoky Silver Dapple Tobiano, also known as a Smoky Silver Black (EE/aa/Crn/nn/Zn).
------Her dam Rosewood Copper Sparrow is a Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg). Her sire appears to be a Gold Cream Blanket, possibly Flaxen, who might also carry silver as per Frost's White Project line (ee/aa/Crn/fN/Chn/Zn). Her dam is Grey (Black) (Ee/aa/nn/nn/Gg).
------Her foal Rosewood Lucy is a Silver Dapple. Lucy's sire is Black. Regardless of the rest of his genetics, we know that Black turns into Silver Dapple in the presence of Silver, and therefore the Silver gene of Lucy's must've come from her dam, Rosewood Blue Snow. Therefore, Blue Snow must be Silver. However, Blue Snow must be heterozygous for Champagne as Lucy is not Champagne. As she is Grey, I cannot tell if she has inherited a cream gene.
------Her foal Rosewood Northern Lights is also Silver. His sire is a Chestnut. Silver doesn't show in the presence of Chestnut, only if Black is added. Therefore, his dam Rosewood Blue Snow must have passed down a Black gene. He is also Champagne, so she must have also passed that down. He is not Grey and appears to have a cream gene. This must have also come from Blue Snow, so she is at very least heterozygous for Cream.

Rosewood My Crimson Tater is a Sooty Gold Champagne Tobiano. (ee/Aa or aa/Styn/Prln/Chn)
She has to have inherited either cream or pearl from Harrowed Cream. As she's not obviously cream, she must have one pearl with isn't visible without an additional pearl or cream gene. I cannot say if she has Agouti or not as she doesn't have a black gene. You'd have to pair her with a homozygous black horse a few times to test this.

---Her dam »Harrowed Cream» is a Palomino Pearl Tobiano Blanket (ee/aa/CrPrl). While it's possible she could carry Agouti, it's unlikely as it would be from her granddam »Kayla», who was heterozygous. I cannot see her back due to the blanket she currently has on, so I cannot say if her sire has passed down Sooty to her and will say that he hasn't.
---Her sire MRS Festive Flames is a Sooty? Amber Champagne Tobiano (Ee/Aa/Styn/Chn). He is where My Crimson Tater's champagne comes from. I'm not 100% sure that he's sooty, but it looks like he's beginning to gain a darker shade to his back. It could also just be from the champagne color aging; I'm not super well versed in champagne. He has a Chestnut foal, indicating he's heterozygous for black (e), and his dam is Black, indicating he's heterzygous for Agouti (bay). I can't tell if she has sooty, so I settled on having him be heterozygous for that as well.

Rosewood Cowgirl Ember is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
This is fairly easy; the color is unique from the other colors in the game save for Brown Cream. There's no paleness at her flank, and so she cannot be Brown Cream and must be Smoky Cream. She must have no Agouti for this to be possible, and she must have at least one black gene, whom we know is from her dam (noted below).
---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Cowgirl Ember couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---We're also already familiar with Rosewood Copper Sparrow (Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg)). Cowgirl Ember inherited her single black gene, as well as her cream gene.

Rosewood Fireball Got Honey is a Gold Champagne Blanket. (ee/aa or else Aa/nn/Chn or else ChCh)
This one's shown best by her foal picture, as there isn't one taken at 3-4 years of age. I'm familiar with how Gold Champagne foals look, so this was a quick one to identify. The dark freckles on her nose are also a big sign that there's no cream at play here. I'm not overly familiar with how much the mane lightens over time, though, so I'm not entirely sure if she might be Flaxen or not. I cannot be sure if she inherited any Agouti from her dam, and suggest testing with a homozygous black horse to see. Additionally, I'm not sure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for Champagne; you'll have to test with a non-champagne to see if the foals are always champagne (homozygous) or not (heterozygous).

---Her sire is Rosewood Northern Lights (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn/Chn), whom we're vaguely familiar with from the first horse. I didn't go into detail on him further than noting the presence of Silver, Black, and Cream, so I'll have to do that now. From his foals we know he must have 0-1 Agouti genes, 0-1 Cream, 0-1 Champagne and 0-1 Silver as one foal is Plain Black. We already know he's silver, cream, and champagne, so those must be Heterozygous. We don't know if he's Agouti and I don't believe he is as his foals don't seem to be, so 0 of those genes. Rosewood Honeydew Fallacy, his foal, is a Gold Cream Blanket I believe. Therefore, only one black gene.
---Her dam is Rosewood River Of Honey, whom we know nothing about. She seems to be a (ee/aa?/Crcr/Chn). Her parents are not grey, and therefore she cannot have been either. One of her foals (Rosewood River Of Wildflower) is Gold Champagne, so only one black gene is possible. We're familiar with that foal's father as it's Copper Sparrow's father, a gold cream, and as there's no foals to that one yet there's nothing else to gain from her. Another foal, Rosewood Star Honey, is a Palomino, and therefore River of Honey must not have two champagne genes. That one's father is a Chestnut, so River of Honey must have a cream gene. The only other foal besides Fireball Got Honey is Rosewood Honey Bell, whom I think is a Palomino Pearl. We already know River of Honey has cream, so we can't add pearl. We also already know she's heterozygous for Champagne. We can assume that she's homozygous for no black, as insofar none of her foals have had one of those genes. Also, as none of her foals have had a black gene, we cannot be sure whether she has Agouti.

Rosewood Chipped Spice is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
We only have her as a foal right now, but she seems to fit what other foals of that color look like and the genes make sense. She's very similar in circumstance to Cowgirl Ember, in part because they share the same sire. She got the black from her dam and the cream from both.

---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Chipped Spice couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---Her dam is Rosewood Marbled of Hug, a Smoky Silver Dapple (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn). Only one of her parents has Silver, which she herself has but didn't pass on to Chipped Spice. We know she has one cream gene due to one of her foals: a Silver Buckskin whose sire is a Chestnut and therefore couldn't have passed a cream. We know she's only heterozygous for cream by her color, but also because her foal Rosewood Mystic Sugarcube is not a Smoky Black, but rather a plain Black. I think her other foal, Rosewood Marigold Patience, is a Gold Cream, so she must be heterozygous for black. She cannot have Agouti or it would be visible.

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I started answering this and then my computer had to restart and I lost everything I'd typed up, so here's try #2. I tend to type as I problem solve, so I'll put my thought process in little font under each horse's name. You're welcome to ignore it if you'd like as it is pretty long, or you can read through it for some insight into some of your horses' ancestors. Please forgive my alternating capitalization of colors and such; I try to capitalize actual colors and lowercase genes when applicable. This is the best my sleuthing can do; hopefully it's all correct but definitely double check if someone else posts a reply as well.

RoseWood CheeseDale (note, that W is in fact capital in her name) is, to the best of my knowledge, a Grey Silver Smoky Cream. (Ee or else ee/aa/CrCr or else Crn/ChCh or else Chn/Zn/Gg)
The fact that she's already Grey as well as the fact that her non-grey picture is so small make this a bit uncertain for me. Regardless, her genetics will be more clear after she has her foal, as she's been paired with a Black horse, which is great for figuring out dilutions. I'm not sure if she has a black gene or not (best test would be to pair her with a plain Chestnut a couple of times to see if you get a black based foal), nor if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream and champagne. I tried my best, though! : ) Hopefully I didn't accidentally miss some pearl.

We know she is either one or two cream champagne due to how pale the freckles are around her eyes and nose. We know that white doesn't show well under grey, so we're unsure of Tobiano or Blanket. Her foal picture is too small to determine this either; she's so pale that it might be blending in very well to her color, and she's currently covered in Grey.

---Her sire ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends is a Gold Cream Blanket (ee/aa/Crn/Chn). She will have inherited one non-black gene (e) from him as well as possibly cream.
---Her dam Rosewood Blue Snow also only has a small picture of when she was a foal. Luckily as she's grey, her coloration is that of an adult horse in the picture; we know she's very pale, either one or two cream, probably champagne. We'll have to dive into her parents and foals for more information. After research into her genetics, it seems she is either a Grey Silver Classic Cream or a Grey Silver Smoky Cream; I'm unsure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream. (Ee/aa/Crn or CrCr/Chn/Zn/Gg)
------Her sire MRS Sweet Enchantment is mis-colored; he is noted as a Smoky Cream Champagne (black with two creams) when I believe he is just a a Classic Cream (black with one cream) (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn). His sire supports this: he's a Flaxen Gold Champagne Tobiano, meaning no cream could've passed from one side (ee/aa/nn/Chn). His dam is a Smoky Silver Dapple Tobiano, also known as a Smoky Silver Black (EE/aa/Crn/nn/Zn).
------Her dam Rosewood Copper Sparrow is a Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg). Her sire appears to be a Gold Cream Blanket, possibly Flaxen, who might also carry silver as per Frost's White Project line (ee/aa/Crn/fN/Chn/Zn). Her dam is Grey (Black) (Ee/aa/nn/nn/Gg).
------Her foal Rosewood Lucy is a Silver Dapple. Lucy's sire is Black. Regardless of the rest of his genetics, we know that Black turns into Silver Dapple in the presence of Silver, and therefore the Silver gene of Lucy's must've come from her dam, Rosewood Blue Snow. Therefore, Blue Snow must be Silver. However, Blue Snow must be heterozygous for Champagne as Lucy is not Champagne. As she is Grey, I cannot tell if she has inherited a cream gene.
------Her foal Rosewood Northern Lights is also Silver. His sire is a Chestnut. Silver doesn't show in the presence of Chestnut, only if Black is added. Therefore, his dam Rosewood Blue Snow must have passed down a Black gene. He is also Champagne, so she must have also passed that down. He is not Grey and appears to have a cream gene. This must have also come from Blue Snow, so she is at very least heterozygous for Cream.

Rosewood My Crimson Tater is a Sooty Gold Champagne Tobiano. (ee/Aa or aa/Styn/Prln/Chn)
She has to have inherited either cream or pearl from Harrowed Cream. As she's not obviously cream, she must have one pearl with isn't visible without an additional pearl or cream gene. I cannot say if she has Agouti or not as she doesn't have a black gene. You'd have to pair her with a homozygous black horse a few times to test this.

---Her dam »Harrowed Cream» is a Palomino Pearl Tobiano Blanket (ee/aa/CrPrl). While it's possible she could carry Agouti, it's unlikely as it would be from her granddam »Kayla», who was heterozygous. I cannot see her back due to the blanket she currently has on, so I cannot say if her sire has passed down Sooty to her and will say that he hasn't.
---Her sire MRS Festive Flames is a Sooty? Amber Champagne Tobiano (Ee/Aa/Styn/Chn). He is where My Crimson Tater's champagne comes from. I'm not 100% sure that he's sooty, but it looks like he's beginning to gain a darker shade to his back. It could also just be from the champagne color aging; I'm not super well versed in champagne. He has a Chestnut foal, indicating he's heterozygous for black (e), and his dam is Black, indicating he's heterzygous for Agouti (bay). I can't tell if she has sooty, so I settled on having him be heterozygous for that as well.

Rosewood Cowgirl Ember is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
This is fairly easy; the color is unique from the other colors in the game save for Brown Cream. There's no paleness at her flank, and so she cannot be Brown Cream and must be Smoky Cream. She must have no Agouti for this to be possible, and she must have at least one black gene, whom we know is from her dam (noted below).
---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Cowgirl Ember couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---We're also already familiar with Rosewood Copper Sparrow (Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg)). Cowgirl Ember inherited her single black gene, as well as her cream gene.

Rosewood Fireball Got Honey is a Gold Champagne Blanket. (ee/aa or else Aa/nn/Chn or else ChCh)
This one's shown best by her foal picture, as there isn't one taken at 3-4 years of age. I'm familiar with how Gold Champagne foals look, so this was a quick one to identify. The dark freckles on her nose are also a big sign that there's no cream at play here. I'm not overly familiar with how much the mane lightens over time, though, so I'm not entirely sure if she might be Flaxen or not. I cannot be sure if she inherited any Agouti from her dam, and suggest testing with a homozygous black horse to see. Additionally, I'm not sure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for Champagne; you'll have to test with a non-champagne to see if the foals are always champagne (homozygous) or not (heterozygous).

---Her sire is Rosewood Northern Lights (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn/Chn), whom we're vaguely familiar with from the first horse. I didn't go into detail on him further than noting the presence of Silver, Black, and Cream, so I'll have to do that now. From his foals we know he must have 0-1 Agouti genes, 0-1 Cream, 0-1 Champagne and 0-1 Silver as one foal is Plain Black. We already know he's silver, cream, and champagne, so those must be Heterozygous. We don't know if he's Agouti and I don't believe he is as his foals don't seem to be, so 0 of those genes. Rosewood Honeydew Fallacy, his foal, is a Gold Cream Blanket I believe. Therefore, only one black gene.
---Her dam is Rosewood River Of Honey, whom we know nothing about. She seems to be a (ee/aa?/Crcr/Chn). Her parents are not grey, and therefore she cannot have been either. One of her foals (Rosewood River Of Wildflower) is Gold Champagne, so only one black gene is possible. We're familiar with that foal's father as it's Copper Sparrow's father, a gold cream, and as there's no foals to that one yet there's nothing else to gain from her. Another foal, Rosewood Star Honey, is a Palomino, and therefore River of Honey must not have two champagne genes. That one's father is a Chestnut, so River of Honey must have a cream gene. The only other foal besides Fireball Got Honey is Rosewood Honey Bell, whom I think is a Palomino Pearl. We already know River of Honey has cream, so we can't add pearl. We also already know she's heterozygous for Champagne. We can assume that she's homozygous for no black, as insofar none of her foals have had one of those genes. Also, as none of her foals have had a black gene, we cannot be sure whether she has Agouti.

Rosewood Chipped Spice is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
We only have her as a foal right now, but she seems to fit what other foals of that color look like and the genes make sense. She's very similar in circumstance to Cowgirl Ember, in part because they share the same sire. She got the black from her dam and the cream from both.

---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Chipped Spice couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---Her dam is Rosewood Marbled of Hug, a Smoky Silver Dapple (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn). Only one of her parents has Silver, which she herself has but didn't pass on to Chipped Spice. We know she has one cream gene due to one of her foals: a Silver Buckskin whose sire is a Chestnut and therefore couldn't have passed a cream. We know she's only heterozygous for cream by her color, but also because her foal Rosewood Mystic Sugarcube is not a Smoky Black, but rather a plain Black. I think her other foal, Rosewood Marigold Patience, is a Gold Cream, so she must be heterozygous for black. She cannot have Agouti or it would be visible.

Thank you so much, I loved reading this

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I started answering this and then my computer had to restart and I lost everything I'd typed up, so here's try #2. I tend to type as I problem solve, so I'll put my thought process in little font under each horse's name. You're welcome to ignore it if you'd like as it is pretty long, or you can read through it for some insight into some of your horses' ancestors. Please forgive my alternating capitalization of colors and such; I try to capitalize actual colors and lowercase genes when applicable. This is the best my sleuthing can do; hopefully it's all correct but definitely double check if someone else posts a reply as well.

RoseWood CheeseDale (note, that W is in fact capital in her name) is, to the best of my knowledge, a Grey Silver Smoky Cream. (Ee or else ee/aa/CrCr or else Crn/ChCh or else Chn/Zn/Gg)
The fact that she's already Grey as well as the fact that her non-grey picture is so small make this a bit uncertain for me. Regardless, her genetics will be more clear after she has her foal, as she's been paired with a Black horse, which is great for figuring out dilutions. I'm not sure if she has a black gene or not (best test would be to pair her with a plain Chestnut a couple of times to see if you get a black based foal), nor if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream and champagne. I tried my best, though! : ) Hopefully I didn't accidentally miss some pearl.

We know she is either one or two cream champagne due to how pale the freckles are around her eyes and nose. We know that white doesn't show well under grey, so we're unsure of Tobiano or Blanket. Her foal picture is too small to determine this either; she's so pale that it might be blending in very well to her color, and she's currently covered in Grey.

---Her sire ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends is a Gold Cream Blanket (ee/aa/Crn/Chn). She will have inherited one non-black gene (e) from him as well as possibly cream.
---Her dam Rosewood Blue Snow also only has a small picture of when she was a foal. Luckily as she's grey, her coloration is that of an adult horse in the picture; we know she's very pale, either one or two cream, probably champagne. We'll have to dive into her parents and foals for more information. After research into her genetics, it seems she is either a Grey Silver Classic Cream or a Grey Silver Smoky Cream; I'm unsure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for cream. (Ee/aa/Crn or CrCr/Chn/Zn/Gg)
------Her sire MRS Sweet Enchantment is mis-colored; he is noted as a Smoky Cream Champagne (black with two creams) when I believe he is just a a Classic Cream (black with one cream) (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn). His sire supports this: he's a Flaxen Gold Champagne Tobiano, meaning no cream could've passed from one side (ee/aa/nn/Chn). His dam is a Smoky Silver Dapple Tobiano, also known as a Smoky Silver Black (EE/aa/Crn/nn/Zn).
------Her dam Rosewood Copper Sparrow is a Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg). Her sire appears to be a Gold Cream Blanket, possibly Flaxen, who might also carry silver as per Frost's White Project line (ee/aa/Crn/fN/Chn/Zn). Her dam is Grey (Black) (Ee/aa/nn/nn/Gg).
------Her foal Rosewood Lucy is a Silver Dapple. Lucy's sire is Black. Regardless of the rest of his genetics, we know that Black turns into Silver Dapple in the presence of Silver, and therefore the Silver gene of Lucy's must've come from her dam, Rosewood Blue Snow. Therefore, Blue Snow must be Silver. However, Blue Snow must be heterozygous for Champagne as Lucy is not Champagne. As she is Grey, I cannot tell if she has inherited a cream gene.
------Her foal Rosewood Northern Lights is also Silver. His sire is a Chestnut. Silver doesn't show in the presence of Chestnut, only if Black is added. Therefore, his dam Rosewood Blue Snow must have passed down a Black gene. He is also Champagne, so she must have also passed that down. He is not Grey and appears to have a cream gene. This must have also come from Blue Snow, so she is at very least heterozygous for Cream.

Rosewood My Crimson Tater is a Sooty Gold Champagne Tobiano. (ee/Aa or aa/Styn/Prln/Chn)
She has to have inherited either cream or pearl from Harrowed Cream. As she's not obviously cream, she must have one pearl with isn't visible without an additional pearl or cream gene. I cannot say if she has Agouti or not as she doesn't have a black gene. You'd have to pair her with a homozygous black horse a few times to test this.

---Her dam »Harrowed Cream» is a Palomino Pearl Tobiano Blanket (ee/aa/CrPrl). While it's possible she could carry Agouti, it's unlikely as it would be from her granddam »Kayla», who was heterozygous. I cannot see her back due to the blanket she currently has on, so I cannot say if her sire has passed down Sooty to her and will say that he hasn't.
---Her sire MRS Festive Flames is a Sooty? Amber Champagne Tobiano (Ee/Aa/Styn/Chn). He is where My Crimson Tater's champagne comes from. I'm not 100% sure that he's sooty, but it looks like he's beginning to gain a darker shade to his back. It could also just be from the champagne color aging; I'm not super well versed in champagne. He has a Chestnut foal, indicating he's heterozygous for black (e), and his dam is Black, indicating he's heterzygous for Agouti (bay). I can't tell if she has sooty, so I settled on having him be heterozygous for that as well.

Rosewood Cowgirl Ember is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
This is fairly easy; the color is unique from the other colors in the game save for Brown Cream. There's no paleness at her flank, and so she cannot be Brown Cream and must be Smoky Cream. She must have no Agouti for this to be possible, and she must have at least one black gene, whom we know is from her dam (noted below).
---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Cowgirl Ember couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---We're also already familiar with Rosewood Copper Sparrow (Grey Classic Cream Tobiano (Ee/aa/Crn/Chn/Gg)). Cowgirl Ember inherited her single black gene, as well as her cream gene.

Rosewood Fireball Got Honey is a Gold Champagne Blanket. (ee/aa or else Aa/nn/Chn or else ChCh)
This one's shown best by her foal picture, as there isn't one taken at 3-4 years of age. I'm familiar with how Gold Champagne foals look, so this was a quick one to identify. The dark freckles on her nose are also a big sign that there's no cream at play here. I'm not overly familiar with how much the mane lightens over time, though, so I'm not entirely sure if she might be Flaxen or not. I cannot be sure if she inherited any Agouti from her dam, and suggest testing with a homozygous black horse to see. Additionally, I'm not sure if she's heterozygous or homozygous for Champagne; you'll have to test with a non-champagne to see if the foals are always champagne (homozygous) or not (heterozygous).

---Her sire is Rosewood Northern Lights (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn/Chn), whom we're vaguely familiar with from the first horse. I didn't go into detail on him further than noting the presence of Silver, Black, and Cream, so I'll have to do that now. From his foals we know he must have 0-1 Agouti genes, 0-1 Cream, 0-1 Champagne and 0-1 Silver as one foal is Plain Black. We already know he's silver, cream, and champagne, so those must be Heterozygous. We don't know if he's Agouti and I don't believe he is as his foals don't seem to be, so 0 of those genes. Rosewood Honeydew Fallacy, his foal, is a Gold Cream Blanket I believe. Therefore, only one black gene.
---Her dam is Rosewood River Of Honey, whom we know nothing about. She seems to be a (ee/aa?/Crcr/Chn). Her parents are not grey, and therefore she cannot have been either. One of her foals (Rosewood River Of Wildflower) is Gold Champagne, so only one black gene is possible. We're familiar with that foal's father as it's Copper Sparrow's father, a gold cream, and as there's no foals to that one yet there's nothing else to gain from her. Another foal, Rosewood Star Honey, is a Palomino, and therefore River of Honey must not have two champagne genes. That one's father is a Chestnut, so River of Honey must have a cream gene. The only other foal besides Fireball Got Honey is Rosewood Honey Bell, whom I think is a Palomino Pearl. We already know River of Honey has cream, so we can't add pearl. We also already know she's heterozygous for Champagne. We can assume that she's homozygous for no black, as insofar none of her foals have had one of those genes. Also, as none of her foals have had a black gene, we cannot be sure whether she has Agouti.

Rosewood Chipped Spice is a Smoky Cream. (Ee/aa/CrCr)
We only have her as a foal right now, but she seems to fit what other foals of that color look like and the genes make sense. She's very similar in circumstance to Cowgirl Ember, in part because they share the same sire. She got the black from her dam and the cream from both.

---Her sire is ~IHF~ You Were With Your Friends, whom we've already noted to be a Gold Cream Blanket
(ee/aa/Crn/Chn) from CheeseDale's section. He is homozygous for no black genes, so Chipped Spice couldn't have inherited one. She only inherited the cream gene from him.
---Her dam is Rosewood Marbled of Hug, a Smoky Silver Dapple (Ee/aa/Crn/Zn). Only one of her parents has Silver, which she herself has but didn't pass on to Chipped Spice. We know she has one cream gene due to one of her foals: a Silver Buckskin whose sire is a Chestnut and therefore couldn't have passed a cream. We know she's only heterozygous for cream by her color, but also because her foal Rosewood Mystic Sugarcube is not a Smoky Black, but rather a plain Black. I think her other foal, Rosewood Marigold Patience, is a Gold Cream, so she must be heterozygous for black. She cannot have Agouti or it would be visible.

Hi there
I was wondering if you could help me again in this foals coat and if he will have the same mane as his parents or not
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Hi there
I was wondering if you could help me again in this foals coat and if he will have the same mane as his parents or not
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3675685

To the best of my knowledge, the mohawk mane gene is recessive. This means the horse has to have two out of two genes for it to show. Therefore, you should always get a mohawk when having a foal via two mohawk horses.

I'm tentatively sure that there's also sub-genes to dictate if the mohawk is a fluffier, fuller mane or a thinner mane, but sub-genes aren't my specialty and aren't something I've looked into. I'd just assume that if you mix two horses with the same mane type, you'll get a foal with the same mane type.

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This one's a Diluted Champagne. I'm not the best at those but I'll try!

The foal coloration's pretty grey; this means it's probably a Black base. That means it's under the Classic Champagne line of colors and no Agouti (Bay or Seal) is present.

It's notable that the Sire, though light, isn't Cream and therefore can't pass down any Cream genes. The foal has one cream at most, possibly Pearl if the Sire's hiding that. You can tell he has no cream by the fact that the black freckles at the nose and around the eyes are stark rather than duller like the Dam's. I think the Sire's a Mealy Flaxen Gold Champagne Tobiano. Possibly Dun as that is in the ancestry of that horse, but I don't think he carries that gene. I don't see any Dun patterning and I don't think there's Dun tonal shading. It's possible there's an invisible Pearl gene in this stud; I know that that's floating around in your lines.

The Dam's an Amber Cream Tobiano. Champagne's from her Sire, an Amber Champagne Tobiano. Cream is from her Dam. She's an interesting color; she looks like she could be a Buckskin Pearl, which is Cream/Pearl on Bay. I'll do a little bit of digging to check on that Pearl... That lady's ancestors are a Silver Perlino Tobiano and indeed a Bay Pearl (2x Pearl on Bay), so that lady is certainly a Buckskin Pearl Tobiano (Cream/Pearl). All of his (the Bay Pearl stud) foals have 1x Pearl gene. Does that matter? Nope, because we already know that the horse in question is an Amber Cream and did not get that one Pearl gene. It's just a fun fact to point out as I see many of her foals have Rosewood in the name.

Anyway, getting off topic there. The Sire's a Flaxen Gold Champagne and that means ee/?a/prl?n/ff/Chn. The ? is a placeholder for Agouti (Bay); we can't be sure if he has no Bay genes (aa) or one (Aa). We know he doesn't have one Agouti gene as your foal has none. It's also possible that he has one Pearl, which wouldn't be visible. Flaxen is recessive, so he must have two genes for it to show. Only one of his parents are Champagne, so Chn. He has three foals in total including this one. One's a Gold Champagne Blanket Tobiano which isn't overall helpful, the other is another grey-shaded foal. The freckles are much more obvious, which is why I propose that the Sire has Pearl. If that foal's Dam also has pearl, then the slightly different body color and obvious freckles would make sense. I have practically no experience with Pearl Champagnes, so I'll be no help in confirming that theory.

The Dam's an Amber Cream, which is Ee?/Aa/Crn/Chn. I can't confirm that she only has one Black gene due to the lack of foals, but I'm pretty sure both of her parents only have one, so It's a decent chance that she's Ee rather than EE. She has one Bay gene, hence the Black based foal, one Cream courtesy of her Dam, and one Champagne courtesy of her Sire. She does not have Pearl.

That noted, the foal probably has one Cream gene from the Dam. The foal possibly has one Pearl or else neither Cream nor Pearl from the Sire. The foal has one Extension/Black gene from the Dam. The foal has no Agouti/Bay genes from either parent. The foal has one to two Champagne genes from the parents. Because the foal has a light mane, I'm going to assume Cream/Pearl which means the Sire's hiding a Pearl gene. Mealy is not visible on Black based horses, but could have been passed from the Sire. The foal also has one Flaxen gene, which is invisible as the foal is only heterozygous (only one gene) as well as not a Chestnut base.

Therefore, my best guess:

Smoky Black Pearl Champagne Tobiano. Ee/aa/Crprl/fN/ChCh or Chn. I don't have Mealy written down as I can't confirm that the foal inherited it.

Again, I'm not super experienced with Diluted Champagnes. I've never worked with Pearl Champagnes either, and I actually have no idea visually what a Smoky Black Pearl Champagne looks like. I'm just going off what I can guess from the Genes. I'm making an assumption that there's Pearl because Classic Creams will still have dark manes and the sire doesn't look like he's a Gold Cream; however, if a more experienced player such as BlackOak2 offers a different color, I'd go with their answer over mine.

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Hi there
I was wondering if you could help me again in this foals coat and if he will have the same mane as his parents or not
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3675685

To the best of my knowledge, the mohawk mane gene is recessive. This means the horse has to have two out of two genes for it to show. Therefore, you should always get a mohawk when having a foal via two mohawk horses.

I'm tentatively sure that there's also sub-genes to dictate if the mohawk is a fluffier, fuller mane or a thinner mane, but sub-genes aren't my specialty and aren't something I've looked into. I'd just assume that if you mix two horses with the same mane type, you'll get a foal with the same mane type.

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This one's a Diluted Champagne. I'm not the best at those but I'll try!

The foal coloration's pretty grey; this means it's probably a Black base. That means it's under the Classic Champagne line of colors and no Agouti (Bay or Seal) is present.

It's notable that the Sire, though light, isn't Cream and therefore can't pass down any Cream genes. The foal has one cream at most, possibly Pearl if the Sire's hiding that. You can tell he has no cream by the fact that the black freckles at the nose and around the eyes are stark rather than duller like the Dam's. I think the Sire's a Mealy Flaxen Gold Champagne Tobiano. Possibly Dun as that is in the ancestry of that horse, but I don't think he carries that gene. I don't see any Dun patterning and I don't think there's Dun tonal shading. It's possible there's an invisible Pearl gene in this stud; I know that that's floating around in your lines.

The Dam's an Amber Cream Tobiano. Champagne's from her Sire, an Amber Champagne Tobiano. Cream is from her Dam. She's an interesting color; she looks like she could be a Buckskin Pearl, which is Cream/Pearl on Bay. I'll do a little bit of digging to check on that Pearl... That lady's ancestors are a Silver Perlino Tobiano and indeed a Bay Pearl (2x Pearl on Bay), so that lady is certainly a Buckskin Pearl Tobiano (Cream/Pearl). All of his (the Bay Pearl stud) foals have 1x Pearl gene. Does that matter? Nope, because we already know that the horse in question is an Amber Cream and did not get that one Pearl gene. It's just a fun fact to point out as I see many of her foals have Rosewood in the name.

Anyway, getting off topic there. The Sire's a Flaxen Gold Champagne and that means ee/?a/prl?n/ff/Chn. The ? is a placeholder for Agouti (Bay); we can't be sure if he has no Bay genes (aa) or one (Aa). We know he doesn't have one Agouti gene as your foal has none. It's also possible that he has one Pearl, which wouldn't be visible. Flaxen is recessive, so he must have two genes for it to show. Only one of his parents are Champagne, so Chn. He has three foals in total including this one. One's a Gold Champagne Blanket Tobiano which isn't overall helpful, the other is another grey-shaded foal. The freckles are much more obvious, which is why I propose that the Sire has Pearl. If that foal's Dam also has pearl, then the slightly different body color and obvious freckles would make sense. I have practically no experience with Pearl Champagnes, so I'll be no help in confirming that theory.

The Dam's an Amber Cream, which is Ee?/Aa/Crn/Chn. I can't confirm that she only has one Black gene due to the lack of foals, but I'm pretty sure both of her parents only have one, so It's a decent chance that she's Ee rather than EE. She has one Bay gene, hence the Black based foal, one Cream courtesy of her Dam, and one Champagne courtesy of her Sire. She does not have Pearl.

That noted, the foal probably has one Cream gene from the Dam. The foal possibly has one Pearl or else neither Cream nor Pearl from the Sire. The foal has one Extension/Black gene from the Dam. The foal has no Agouti/Bay genes from either parent. The foal has one to two Champagne genes from the parents. Because the foal has a light mane, I'm going to assume Cream/Pearl which means the Sire's hiding a Pearl gene. Mealy is not visible on Black based horses, but could have been passed from the Sire. The foal also has one Flaxen gene, which is invisible as the foal is only heterozygous (only one gene) as well as not a Chestnut base.

Therefore, my best guess:

Smoky Black Pearl Champagne Tobiano. Ee/aa/Crprl/fN/ChCh or Chn. I don't have Mealy written down as I can't confirm that the foal inherited it.

Again, I'm not super experienced with Diluted Champagnes. I've never worked with Pearl Champagnes either, and I actually have no idea visually what a Smoky Black Pearl Champagne looks like. I'm just going off what I can guess from the Genes. I'm making an assumption that there's Pearl because Classic Creams will still have dark manes and the sire doesn't look like he's a Gold Cream; however, if a more experienced player such as BlackOak2 offers a different color, I'd go with their answer over mine.

Thank you so much

BlackOak2

Hi there would you be able to help me?

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BlackOak2

Hi there would you be able to help me?

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But that's not the help you're after.

What would you like? Mohawk questions? Or color questions? Something else? Just give me a day or two, my time online is ... limited. But I'll get it answered by this weekend.

As far as Rosewood Lightening Seeker, EclipticEnd is correct with Mohawk being recessive. So two mohawk parents will always throw mohawk offspring.

Also seeing both the parents are recessive, long-tails, your foal will also be the same. It does appear that the sire is a medium-weight and the dame a thin-weight, as far as mane and tail thickness is concerned... but we don't know enough about these particular mechanics for me to offer any additional insight. I suspect your foal will be a thin-weight... because I suspect that thin-weight is also recessive (working as a incomplete-recessive style)... which would mean that the sire is a half & half, one thin weight gene and one thick-weight gene, resulting in a medium-weight. However... none of this may be correct. It could be flipped or it could simply not exist at all. Studies into it hasn't been done, or published yet.

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Yeah, and now I just read the last notes EclipticEnd left... and now I know what you're looking for!

-_- It's been a long day. -_-
Anyway!

Yes, after reviewing the workup and the foal & parents, I agree. A pearl and a cream paired with champagne is most likely. And on black base. Some of our senior members were doing work on triple dilutes, so much so, that they could recognize cream from pearl from cream & pearl just from the color of the horse, including champagnes mixed in. But the one I'd send you to, has been absent recently.

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Confirmed Smoky Black Pearl Champagne Tobiano

Just wanted to add that if you end up breeding another foal of this color, I'd be very interested in buying it. I'm obsessed with this shade of Champagne and would love to see what it looks like with a training sheen.

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Confirmed Smoky Black Pearl Champagne Tobiano

Just wanted to add that if you end up breeding another foal of this color, I'd be very interested in buying it. I'm obsessed with this shade of Champagne and would love to see what it looks like with a training sheen.

Just like the colt? Sorry i have so much horses so its a bit hard to remember each horse