What colour is this filly?

[Malakai10]

I mixed up paint and pinto again then didn't I

Colours and breeds being the same thing is so frustrating (and colour breeds, urg) I personally find the distinction between a colour and breed to be important because it just makes communication easier... and also because it just Frustrates me...... mostly because it just frustrates me (and I would Cry if someone called a knapstrupper or basotho pony an appaloosa because it was spotted)

... i forgot single cream was a thing that does seem more likely than pearl

It appears so, but it's no big deal. Before I started this game, I was pretty much: Red = Chestnut, White is gray, unless it has white skin & everything else was either bay or buckskin or palomino. There was pretty much nothing else. Unless it was looking like a cow, then it was paint or dalmatian spotted it was leopard. (I did have that last one right at least )
This game has corrected a LOT of my fallacies.

An interesting sidenote, is when I was looking at where leopard may have first originated, I found that one of the original breeds that were devoted for the spots, the tiger, disappeared and that the knabstrupper almost died out and opened their books to allow any spotty horse in. At least that's what my memory tells me now. It's been a number of years since I looked at leopard for my tarpans.
Things might've changed since then though.

On another interesting side note, painted markings and spots do appear to be one of the first markings that start appearing on many coats during the domestication process. Which I thought was of particular and peculiar interest. But if that's just a happenstance during those particular studies or whether that's something that's actually linked in some way to the domestication process and the culling/keeping procedures of it... who knows?

Oh... and I just got a deja vu that we've spoken about this before!

I'm almost certain we have! Or at least we've had a very similar conversation.

Hmm... I think it's probably more that white markings are more just a fairly common thing overall BUT in wild animals you don't see it because they don't survive and domestication simply doesn't cull white spotting the way the wild would — especially since we see white spotting appear in captive, non domesticated animals such as ball pythons, reticulated pythons, corn snakes, *, foxes (apparently the domesticated fox experiment has a LOT of fallacies and are not actually domesticated), angelfish and probably a bunch of other reptiles, birds and fish that I can't remember off the top of my head.) Actually I think leucism, albinism and pied markings are usually some of the first morphs to appear in captive bred populations? At least, that's the impression the snake community gives me.

Also, apparently there are cave paintings of one of the true wild horse species in South America and they are drawn with white spotting (which in my opinion looked an awful lot like one of the dominant white mutations.)

And also apparently there's a likely possibility that horses didn't die out in the America's and that they had domesticated horses long before the Spanish arrived?? Which I think is really neat.

[BlackOak2]

I'm almost certain we have! Or at least we've had a very similar conversation.

Hmm... I think it's probably more that white markings are more just a fairly common thing overall BUT in wild animals you don't see it because they don't survive and domestication simply doesn't cull white spotting the way the wild would — especially since we see white spotting appear in captive, non domesticated animals such as ball pythons, reticulated pythons, corn snakes, *, foxes (apparently the domesticated fox experiment has a LOT of fallacies and are not actually domesticated), angelfish and probably a bunch of other reptiles, birds and fish that I can't remember off the top of my head.) Actually I think leucism, albinism and pied markings are usually some of the first morphs to appear in captive bred populations? At least, that's the impression the snake community gives me.

Also, apparently there are cave paintings of one of the true wild horse species in South America and they are drawn with white spotting (which in my opinion looked an awful lot like one of the dominant white mutations.)

And also apparently there's a likely possibility that horses didn't die out in the America's and that they had domesticated horses long before the Spanish arrived?? Which I think is really neat.

You have a point. But if they didn't or couldn't exist without regular mutations [in the wild], then we couldn't have so easily developed (through evolution) such brilliantly, obviously marked species like zebra, giraffes (although giraffe will also blend-in, amongst trees), harbor seals, pandas (numerous species)... wood ducks is another great example. There are many animals that live in areas where they have predators that can and will prey on them, that are brilliantly colored or patterned.

As far as snakes are concerned, I do consider at least some species domesticated and not just captives. But that brings to light another point. At what stage of breeding generations are we to consider an animal from captive to domesticated state?
Which I think we discussed before as well.

Albinism happens fairly often in the wild with varying outcomes. Enough have survived in the wild and led quite successful and long lives that I think, at least albinism is a wild-survivable mutation first and not so much the first to pop-up in the domestication process. So like a zebra evolutionary trait. Perhaps we don't see it quite as often as we normally would (like a zebra-evolution) because of other genetic health issues that come along with it and not because they're more vulnerable to predation.
By the way, I know specifically of one white tail deer herd up in Pennsylvania, USA that regularly has piebald offspring. It's known as a piebald herd and has evolved naturally. I also know in that same area there is a sub-species of black foxes from red ancestry as well.

And... we're hijacking a post. If we are to continue this conversation, we'll have to move it.

Apologies for hijacking, Stable_Of_Champions.