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Cypress Creek Elites Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:07 pm Posts: 740

Re: Help me with colors Please :)

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1. Looks to be chestnut pearl (with markings)
2. Black (with markings)
3. Pseudo white (double cream, champagne)
4. Palomino appaloosa (lp lp, appears to have a near leopard-type patterning)
Stallion 1. Chestnut spotted blanket appaloosa (single lp) (with markings)
Stallion 2. Black appaloosa (lp lp, near leopard-type patterning) tobiano tiger eye
Important mare: Silver dapple tobiano
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Re: Help me with colors Please :)

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Cypress Creek Elites wrote:1. Looks to be chestnut pearl (with markings)
2. Black (with markings)
3. Pseudo white (double cream, champagne)
4. Palomino appaloosa (lp lp, appears to have a near leopard-type patterning)
Stallion 1. Chestnut spotted blanket appaloosa (single lp) (with markings)
Stallion 2. Black appaloosa (lp lp, near leopard-type patterning) tobiano tiger eye
Important mare: Silver dapple tobiano
Hey Cypress Creek Elites I have a few more horses I need colors for. . . .
Mares
1. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3415344
2. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3426114
Stallions
A. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3351107
B. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3419879
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Cypress Creek Elites Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:07 pm Posts: 740

Re: Help me with colors Please :)

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Mare 1: gold champagne snowflake spotted blanket appaloosa (lp lp)
Mare 2: metallic red dun near leopard appaloosa (lp lp) (she also has snowflake but it's not as obvious/important)
Stallion A: black near leopard tiger eye appaloosa (lp n) (with markings) tiger eye
Stallion B: black snowflake spotted blanket appaloosa (lp n) tiger eye
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Cypress Creek Elites Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:07 pm Posts: 740

Re: Help me with colors Please :)

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I can also give you some tips for identifying specific colors/genes yourself, if you'd like :)
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bestleopardbreeders Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:54 pm Posts: 197

Re: Help me with colors Please :)

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Cypress Creek Elites wrote:I can also give you some tips for identifying specific colors/genes yourself, if you'd like :)
Yes Please! I find the guides confusing. . . It would be very helpful. :D
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Cypress Creek Elites Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:07 pm Posts: 740

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bestleopardbreeders wrote: Yes Please! I find the guides confusing. . . It would be very helpful. :D
Okay! I'll start with appaloosa, as that tends to be pretty confusing.
The little white dots that appear on the body are called Snowflake. They can appear by themselves. You generally don't see them until the horse is about a year old.
There are two main genes that control appaloosa, leopard complex (lp) and the pattern gene. Leopard complex appears to be tied to varnishing.
A horse with appaloosa that is NOT just straight snowflake will either have large spots of color in the white areas or small spots of color. The smaller spots means that the horse is homozygous for leopard complex (lp lp) and will always pass that on to its foals.
Mare 4 and stallion 1 in your first post are good examples of homozygous Lp and heterozygous Lp- the stallion has bigger spots of color in his blanket, indicating heterozygous lp.

Varnish will change a horse's coat color over time, so ID-ing or taking pictures of an appaloosa when it's 1-4 years old (so it as its adult coat but varnish hasn't really set in yet) is generally the best choice.

Champagne is another one that's pretty easy to tell. A horse that has champagne will have freckles on the skin around its eyes and nose. You'll get better at identifying what, exactly, the base coat of a given horse with champagne is with time- but the most common one seems to be gold champagne (champagne on chestnut) which has a pretty self-explanatory color (it's also way prettyier than all of the other bases with champagne. Though bay is acceptable)

Cream is another gene that behaves differently if a horse has one or two copies- but it just makes the coat lighter.
Single cream doesn't show up on black and only shows up on the lightest areas of a brown horse. It makes bay horses buckskin (light coat, black mane, tail and points) and chestnut horses palomino.
Double cream gives you your perlino (bay base) and your cremello (chestnut base) and the other two bases are super ugly with double cream and I don't know their names. Perlino is basically cremello with light brown points.

Silver expresses in a number of different ways, but it depends based on the base coat. On black coats, it turns them "silver dapple" (your important mare in the first post) while on bay and brown coats it only turns the mane and tail silver. It does not express on chestnut.

Dun will create a lighter than normal coat on the body with more concentrated points, as well as give horses a stripe along their spine. It may also cause additional striping on the legs and along the spine.

Pearl is recessive (a horse needs two copies in order for it to express) and causes changes in color similar to cream and champagne. I don't know much about it other than that. It's generally pretty rare.

Colors get more complicated when you combine a lot of different dilutions (champagne, cream, silver etc), but usually after looking back to the horse's parents you can tell what's going on where.
The best way to learn is to practice- find old topics in the color identification forum, try and figure out what the colors are, and then look to see what other people have answered.
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