Color help please!

[reehan23dew]

I’m in need of some help identifying the colors of some of my youngsters! Any help is much appreciated!

This filly I believe to have champagne in her at the very least but what type I don’t know. She also has what I believe to be a blue eye…
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3400450

Not 100% certain as to the color of this one as well as her sire either. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3399115

[Silverine]

The first horse is Classic Champagne - black + a champagne gene. The eye is only blue because it is so young. It will turn either brown or hazel by one year.

The second horse is Palomino Pearl, possibly with dun. That's a chestnut base plus a cream/pearl combo. She got the cream from her dam, who is palomino, and the pearl from her sire. The sire is a bit of a puzzle because both he and his dam-line have zero useful pictures on themselves, their progeny, or their pedigree. (Useful pictures are taken as a newborn and as a yearling. All of their pictures are at 3 years or later after their foal coat has grown out and color shift has started on the adult coat.) He is either a grullo pearl or a smoky grullo pearl but at this point there's no way to tell. We know he has at least one pearl, if not because of the original filly then because of this one, who shows no dilution (which means she has a hidden pearl). In order to figure out which he is you would need to breed him to mares that are known to have no cream and no hidden pearl. If he ever throws a cream foal with one of them then he is smoky grullo pearl. If not then he is likely only grullo pearl.

[reehan23dew]

The first horse is Classic Champagne - black + a champagne gene. The eye is only blue because it is so young. It will turn either brown or hazel by one year.

The second horse is Palomino Pearl, possibly with dun. That's a chestnut base plus a cream/pearl combo. She got the cream from her dam, who is palomino, and the pearl from her sire. The sire is a bit of a puzzle because both he and his dam-line have zero useful pictures on themselves, their progeny, or their pedigree. (Useful pictures are taken as a newborn and as a yearling. All of their pictures are at 3 years or later after their foal coat has grown out and color shift has started on the adult coat.) He is either a grullo pearl or a smoky grullo pearl but at this point there's no way to tell. We know he has at least one pearl, if not because of the original filly then because of this one, who shows no dilution (which means she has a hidden pearl). In order to figure out which he is you would need to breed him to mares that are known to have no cream and no hidden pearl. If he ever throws a cream foal with one of them then he is smoky grullo pearl. If not then he is likely only grullo pearl.

Thank you for the help!

[reehan23dew]

The first horse is Classic Champagne - black + a champagne gene. The eye is only blue because it is so young. It will turn either brown or hazel by one year.

The second horse is Palomino Pearl, possibly with dun. That's a chestnut base plus a cream/pearl combo. She got the cream from her dam, who is palomino, and the pearl from her sire. The sire is a bit of a puzzle because both he and his dam-line have zero useful pictures on themselves, their progeny, or their pedigree. (Useful pictures are taken as a newborn and as a yearling. All of their pictures are at 3 years or later after their foal coat has grown out and color shift has started on the adult coat.) He is either a grullo pearl or a smoky grullo pearl but at this point there's no way to tell. We know he has at least one pearl, if not because of the original filly then because of this one, who shows no dilution (which means she has a hidden pearl). In order to figure out which he is you would need to breed him to mares that are known to have no cream and no hidden pearl. If he ever throws a cream foal with one of them then he is smoky grullo pearl. If not then he is likely only grullo pearl.

Three more foals by that sire I am confused about their colors. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3404778
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3402042
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3404778

[Dawnstar II]

The first horse is Classic Champagne - black + a champagne gene. The eye is only blue because it is so young. It will turn either brown or hazel by one year.

The second horse is Palomino Pearl, possibly with dun. That's a chestnut base plus a cream/pearl combo. She got the cream from her dam, who is palomino, and the pearl from her sire. The sire is a bit of a puzzle because both he and his dam-line have zero useful pictures on themselves, their progeny, or their pedigree. (Useful pictures are taken as a newborn and as a yearling. All of their pictures are at 3 years or later after their foal coat has grown out and color shift has started on the adult coat.) He is either a grullo pearl or a smoky grullo pearl but at this point there's no way to tell. We know he has at least one pearl, if not because of the original filly then because of this one, who shows no dilution (which means she has a hidden pearl). In order to figure out which he is you would need to breed him to mares that are known to have no cream and no hidden pearl. If he ever throws a cream foal with one of them then he is smoky grullo pearl. If not then he is likely only grullo pearl.

Three more foals by that sire I am confused about their colors. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3404778
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3402042
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3404778

these are only two foals, one posted twice

both are grullo with tiger eye. The darker one just has a very weak version of Dun, it's barely visible.

[Silverine]

Just an fyi that both the first and last link go to the same horse.

Both horses are grullos: black + dun. Real Sky simply has a much louder dun expression than Marble Made. With their sire being what he is we know that the offspring have to carry a dilution of some kind. Neither has visible dilution as an adult or as a foal so we know that they have hidden pearl. (Their foal coats would have been much less red and more gray-ish if they had cream.)

For the other two foals, we have one really easy one and one that's a bit more ... dramatic.

Real Sweet is plain black. This means she has a hidden pearl.

Underestimated Reality is actually also black, just of a different variety. She's a Silver Smoky Black Pearl. (Black + silver + cream/pearl.) She inherited pearl from Real Made and both cream and silver from her mother. It's possible she has dun hiding in there as well, but she's super pale and Real Made has been known to throw super faint dun expression so it's hard to tell. I personally don't think she has it but it's still possible.

At this point I think it's pretty safe to assume that Real Made is double pearl.

[reehan23dew]

Just an fyi that both the first and last link go to the same horse.

Both horses are grullos: black + dun. Real Sky simply has a much louder dun expression than Marble Made. With their sire being what he is we know that the offspring have to carry a dilution of some kind. Neither has visible dilution as an adult or as a foal so we know that they have hidden pearl. (Their foal coats would have been much less red and more gray-ish if they had cream.)

For the other two foals, we have one really easy one and one that's a bit more ... dramatic.

Real Sweet is plain black. This means she has a hidden pearl.

Underestimated Reality is actually also black, just of a different variety. She's a Silver Smoky Black Pearl. (Black + silver + cream/pearl.) She inherited pearl from Real Made and both cream and silver from her mother. It's possible she has dun hiding in there as well, but she's super pale and Real Made has been known to throw super faint dun expression so it's hard to tell. I personally don't think she has it but it's still possible.

At this point I think it's pretty safe to assume that Real Made is double pearl.

Haha oops! Thank you again for the more coat color help!

[Silverine]

Haha oops! Thank you again for the more coat color help!

No problem.

So I noticed on the cream/pearl filly you listed her nCr + prl. I just wanted to let you know that this is incorrect. She is CrPrl. Cream and Pearl occupy the same location on the chromosome. So you can have no dilution, a single cream, double cream, a single pearl, double pearl, or one cream and one pearl. You can never have a double cream + pearl or a double pearl + cream.

Options:
nn (no dilution)
nCr (one cream)
CrCr (double cream)
nPrl (one pearl, no visible dilution)
PrlPrl (double pearl)
CrPrl (cream/pearl)

[reehan23dew]

Haha oops! Thank you again for the more coat color help!

No problem.

So I noticed on the cream/pearl filly you listed her nCr + prl. I just wanted to let you know that this is incorrect. She is CrPrl. Cream and Pearl occupy the same location on the chromosome. So you can have no dilution, a single cream, double cream, a single pearl, double pearl, or one cream and one pearl. You can never have a double cream + pearl or a double pearl + cream.

Options:
nn (no dilution)
nCr (one cream)
CrCr (double cream)
nPrl (one pearl, no visible dilution)
PrlPrl (double pearl)
CrPrl (cream/pearl)

Oh, alright thanks! That changes the foal I was hoping for from her eventually

[reehan23dew]

More foals I need help with in this pasture please! Some may not be old enough to know yet though. https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/149965