Coat Colour Confirmations - Please! *UPDATED - MORE ADDED IN COMMENTS*

[Antomari]

Hello!

I'm trying to get to grips with the coat colour system here and have given it my best shot but would definitely appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable about the coats could take a look.

Starting off with my Tarpans, they're all from the AC so should all be Bay Dun (as stated by Argent in the fantastic Ancient Breed colour guide) however I'm not sure if that's the case.
1. Alaric

Bay Dun Snowflake
A/A D/- Lp/-

2. Alban

Bay Dun
A/A D/-

3. Aldo

Bay Dun Snowflake w/ Coronet
A/A D/- Lp/- TO/-

4. Alba

Bay Dun w/ Facial Marking - is the facial marking a star or a stripe (or half of one)?
A/A D/- TO/-
Alba also has feathers, how does that work on here?

5. Amabel

Bay Dun Snowflake w/ Coronet and Pastern
A/A D/- Lp/- TO/-

Also if anyone could tell me the conformation scores for these guys I'd be incredibly grateful, I'm saving up for a premium upgrade but am still quite a way off and would like to get my Tarpans off the ground soon.

[Sawd10]

I will refer to them using their names.

Alaric is a Bay Dun & varnish, snowflakes. The gene makeup would look like this, more or less: (E/?), A/A, D/-, LP/?, ---
Notice that I made no assumptions with the copies of the leopard gene. Because I have no information on the parents--and Alaric has no offspring to judge off of--I am not able to tell if he carries one or two copies of the leopard gene. Remember that the gene for snowflakes is the leopard gene, although whether or not he has one or two copies does not make a difference in appearance. (Exceptions being made if there were any pattern genes present.)
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I could not be sure if someone had tested this, however, and provided valuable knowledge on whether the AC Tarpans have one or two copies of the leopard gene... or if the count is at random.

Alban is a Bay Dun, so you did guess correctly with this one. This colour is not difficult to guess, especially when you have evidence supporting your assumption from the parents, but if you ever have a problem with 'Bay or Wild Bay Dun?' just remember that the black on the legs of a Wild Bay only comes up to the fetlocks; sometimes you have to take a closer look at a Bay Dun's legs to see where it ends due to the darker brown and stripes around the knee area. The makeup would be A/A, D/- ---

Aldo is another Bay Dun with varnishing and snowflakes & also a snowcap and coronet. The makeup would be A/A, D/-, LP/LP.
Am I contradicting what I had just said? you must wonder.
No. We can be certain that this horse in particular has two copies of the leopard gene. In order for a horse to have a snowcap, it must have two copies of such.
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Does this make it clear that the leopard gene count is at random, I wonder?

Alba is also a simple Bay Dun; gene makeup is A/A, D/-, TO/-. Alba has a star on her face. Keep in mind that a stripe goes all the way down a horse's face but is narrower than a blaze. (While each horse's face marking will vary in uniqueness, a stripe is drawn all the way down and the marking ends in between the nostrils, whereas a blaze covers the muzzle.)

You got Amabel's colouring correct, except you forget the varnish, as with the others. The tobiano markings were identified correctly, as well.

As for their conformation scores, they will be done in the order they were linked.

Speed 21
Strength 21
Stamina 37
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 36
Movement 35
Agility 37
Tempo 27

Speed 16
Strength 19
Stamina 41
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 32
Movement 29
Agility 34
Tempo 28

Speed 16
Strength 20
Stamina 33
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 30
Movement 32
Agility 31
Tempo 26

Speed 16
Strength 22
Stamina 34
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 38
Movement 35
Agility 30
Tempo 25

Speed 12
Strength 26
Stamina 42
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 29
Movement 36
Agility 31
Tempo 20

I like the names you chose for them.

[Antomari]

Thank you very much!

[Antomari]

It's taken some time but I'm back to trying to figure out coat colours and am completely stumped!

PREGNANT MARES, FOALS + YEARLINGS
1. Abundantia

I have no idea for this mare other than she has a stocking and coronet marking - Perlino? Perlino Dun? Buckskin Pearl Dun? Something else entirely?

2. Aerecura

Silver Sable Champagne with 2 socks and tiger eye?

3. Acis

Palomino?

4. Aeternita

Bay Roan?

5. Aequitas

Classic Champagne?

6. Aesculapius

Bay Pearl Dun with stocking and coronet?

7. Unnamed Foal

I know he's just a foal but any guesses so far?

TRAINING
1. Larentia

Bay Varnish Roan with Snowcap and Tiger Eye?

2. Perenna

Palomino Varnish Roan with Snowcap, Tiger Eye and 2 stockings?

3. Antevorta

Bay Dun Varnish Snowflake with Star and Coronet?

4. Aura

Bay Dun Varnish Snowflake with Snowcap and Star?

5. Aurora

Buckskin with Tiger Eye?

6. Bellona

Brown?

TRAINING, STUDS + SALES
1. Apollo

Black with 2 socks?

2. Arimanius

Mealy Red Roan?

3. Averruncus

Blue Roan?

4. Bacchus

Buckskin with Tiger Eye?

5. Eventus

Sable Cream with Tiger Eye?

Please let me know your thoughts on any or all of them - any input is greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance

[Sawd10]

Pregnant Mares, Foals, & Yearlings.
Will be referred to as "1", "2", and so on.

Yes, 1 is a Perlino with one stocking and one coronet. x2 cream + TO on Bay/Wild Bay. CrCr TO- A/+.
Note - All agouti is dominant over non-agouti (a). In your case, most of this mare's pedigree is either palominos or Perlinos. A Palomino is x1 cream on a chestnut horse, and Perlino is x2 cream on bay/wild bay; Perlino will be the dominant coat colour because the base colour is one of the two bays, and bay is dominant over chestnut/non-agouti (a).

Correct. 2 is a Silver Sable Champagne with two socks and tiger eye. It looks like you missed one thing, though... She has varnishing going on. It is fairly visible, but to a lesser extent than most. Why that is is because it does not have visible leopard, and it is said that leopard causes a horse with the varnishing genes to varnish faster than one without. This horse has one copy of the leopard gene (from the dam) but no pattern genes, so it has no pattern, but varnish. Any horse that has at least one copy of the leopard gene will varnish, whether it has a pattern or not.
Gen-makeup is Chn Z- LP- tN on an agouti (Brown. At) horse.
Note - The only way one copy of the tiger eye gene is visible is if you have it on a horse with the champagne gene. (Exceptions being if the horse has champagne but is also a double diluted cream. Only two copies would show on a horse like that.) We can be sure that your horse has one copy because it carries champagne and her eye is also somewhat amber, or olive perhaps, which is characteristic to tiger eye x1. x2 horses have emerald coloured eyes.

3 is a Palomino. x1 cream on chestnut. Crn ee. She looks like she may have a slight metallic sheen (M) but it is optional to add that.
Note - Horses with one copy of the cream gene (Crn) always have dark skin and eyes.

4 is a bay roan. Rn + Bay. Rn/n Aa Ee.
Note - All agoutis are black-based. Your filly is a bay, not a wild bay; how do I tell? The black on the legs of a bay always stretches above the fetlocks, whereas a wild bay only reaches the fetlocks. I remember, after writing that down, that I mentioned that in the other post, but I figure I'll just keep it here for you to look over.

Correct. 5 is a classic champagne. Ch + Black. Ch/n E-.
Note - It is easy to tell whether or not a horse carries champagne. If the horse has a freckled muzzle/eye area, then it carries champagne. If it has one or two genes of it does not affect the appearance of the muzzle or eye area. Do not get classic champagnes and sable champagnes mixed up. Some people do. Sable champagne is champagne on a brown, whereas classic--like yours--is on a black. Sable champagnes usually have a little bit of visible brown around the flank/shoulder/muzzle areas. And classics are the solid tan-ish colour with black mane.

You are wrong with 6. 6 is just like 1; Perlino with one stocking and one coronet. x2 cream + TO on Bay/Wild Bay. Sometimes it is difficult to guess the colouring of a foal with the double cream from a foal with pearl or cream pearl. That is why most of the time people wait until around 1 year to assume colours. But, that does not mean that there is not a way to tell them apart. Double creams, like the perlino, will have pink skin and blue-grey eyes. It stays like this for all of the horse's life (unless tiger eye is present, if that is the case, then it will be visible at around 1 year.) however, you should try to take a picture of it at birth because that will help decipher is from other dilutes. Cream pearls are very similar in colouring and skin to the double cream. They also have blue-grey eyes and pink skin (again, unless tiger eye is present.), which is why players often get the two confused. When this happens, you simply have to know the coat colours. Cream pearls (Crprl) are generally a little more bright than the double pearls are. Finally, the easiest cream gene to tell apart is pearl. One copy of pearl is recessive and not visible on a horse, so when one says "pearl" they usually speak of a "double pearl", unless stated otherwise. Pearls, again, have pink skin (3 of the 4 versions of the cream gene do. The only one that does not is single cream.) but are easily decipherable compared to the others as they have dark coloured eyes.
Note - Players often get the perlino (CrCr A/+) and the Buckskin Pearl (Crprl A/+) mixed up, as they have somewhat similar looks. Obviously, one is a double cream and one is a cream pearl, both on a bay/wild bay. But... to look at the horse and know the difference of coats. A perlino has darker shading around the muzzle, eyes, legs. Sometimes the tail, as well. The perlino has dark brown on the legs that can vary in length; this characteristic is from the bay/wild bay in them. The buckskin pearl has it to a lesser extent, and the brown is lighter, and the coat is brighter. The mane on the buckskin pearl is usually a bit lighter than that of a perlino's.
And, you mistook your colt as a bay pearl. Bay pearls are overall darker and colour and are quite different from the perlino. Bay pearls will have dark mane and eyes, and a darker coat.

7 - the foal. Should be at least 1 year of age, but we both already know that. Just from guessing... Silver Amber Cream Champagne Dun with leopard, tiger eye, snowflakes, stocking, and sock, perhaps? Gen-makeup would be Zn Crn Chn LPlp TO Dd on A/+. Let me... break down my theorized colouring:
The silver comes from the mare, I think it is pretty obvious that the foal has silver hair, even at this age.
The cream also comes from the dam, and while it is not a visible cream coat, it dilutes it.
The champagne, again, comes from the mare. We can be sure that he has champagne from the freckles developing around his eyes and muzzle.
The leopard is from both parents. He gets the pattern genes from the sire, though. He will probably varnish.
The tobiano is from the dam.
The dun. It is hard to tell whether or not it is actually there, since champagne in combination with single cream (with dun) is very similar to the non-dun (n) single cream + champagne. So it could very well just be a Silver Amber Cream Champagne, but it looks as though it may carry dun. Possibly. Sometimes it is impossible to tell whether they have dun or not. This one has a dark line across the neck and looks like it might have extremely faint stripes on the front leg.
The green-ish colouring compared to a single cream champagne may give us a pointer that this horse is dun. We'll see when it matures. I just took a wild guess on first glance.


Training.
Will be referred to as "1", "2", and so on.

1 is a Silver Bay Roan with leopard, snowflakes, and tiger eye. Silver + Roan + Leopard + Tiger Eye on bay/wild bay. Gen-makeup is Z- Rn- LPlp tt.
Note - All of the pictures leading up to 3 years of age indicate that the horse carries silver, as the mane and tail was already silver before varnishing begun.

No. 2 is not a Palomino, but a Buckskin. Buckskin varnish blanket with two stockings and snowflakes. Crn + LPlp + TO on A/+.
Note - Buckskins and Palominos are both single creams, and you got the two confused when trying to identify 2's colouring. There are significant differences between the two coats once you learn. Both are single creams, (Crn) one on a chestnut/ee (palomino) and one on a bay/wild bay/A/+ (buckskin.) All four 'base' variants of the single cream have dark skin, and these two both have golden coats. The easiest way to tell them apart is by the mane and tail. A buckskin will have black mane and tail (as well as legs, signifying bay.) whereas a palomino has white mane. Very different. Palominos have dark coloured muzzles, but buckskin's muzzles are always more bold in that aspect. Also, the palomino has a more yellow-ish coat compared to the buckskin.

Yes, correct identification with 3.

Almost correct on 4. It is indeed a bay dun varnish with snowflakes and stars, but it has a blanket, not a snowcap. So it would not be LPLP, but LPlp.
Note - A blanket is single copy of the LP gene that causes clearly cut white edges from the pattern and the coat, and spotted areas. A snowcap is in the same area as a blanket, and is two copies of the LP gene. The edges of white are somewhat frayed (hence, the name "snowcap") and have very small spots, or none at all.

Incorrect identification on 5. It was very close, but 5 has every so faint dun. You can see the dark stripe along the back and on the legs. So, this one is not a Buckskin, but a Dunskin. A dunskin is cream x1 + dun on a bay/wild bay horse. Crn D- A/+.
Note - A Dunskin is a name for a Buckskin with dun. Dunskins usually have very faint dun, so be sure to look closely.

Yes, 6 is a brown. Ee AtAt.
Note - This is obvious, but since I put a note on almost every other horse, I will on this one too. When one speaks of a 'seal brown' they mean the same thing as a 'brown'.


Training, studs, and sales.
Will be referred to as "1", "2", and so on.

Nearly correct on 1. It is a black with two socks, but he also has a coronet on his back leg. So yes, black with two socks and a coronet. Ee TO.

Ahh~~ 2's colouring is absolutely stunning. And yes, you are correct. He is a mealy red roan. Pp + Rn- on chestnut. Gen-makeup is ee Pp Rn-.
Note - I made sure to refer to it as 'mealy', since that is what you called it, but just so there is no confusion, mealy is also often called Pangaré. I usually call it pangaré, so for future use, either name refers to the same gene.

3 is a blue roan. Roan on black. Ee Rn-.
Note - Blue roan is often called black roan. Brown roans are often categorized with blue roans, so sometimes there is confusion, but most players know that a blue roan is roan on black.

Correct. 4 is a Buckskin with tiger eye. x1 Cream + tiger eye x2 on bay/wild bay. Crn tt A/+.

5 is not a Sable Cream, but a Classic Cream with tiger eye. x1 Cream + Champagne + tiger eye on black. Crn Chn tN E-.
Note - One cream paired with champagne is extremely easy to tell apart from most coats. They have pale skin and freckles, and (unless they have tiger eye, like yours.) have dark eyes as an adult. When they are born, they have blue-grey eyes. (like yours.)

[Antomari]

I'm so sorry for not thanking you earlier, I thought I had but obviously didn't actually do it.

Thank you so much Sawd10! I appreciate your help and your explanations, you're fantastic