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Claudebot
Sun Valley Ranch Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:26 am Posts: 36

Mini Moonfall?!? (x Blue Roan)

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I have asked previously about my mare: Moonfall. BlackOak2 would remember her. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2984254

I bred her (Moonfall) for the first time, with a blue roan stud, on the market.(Tristan) https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2327285

She gave birth to this colt here; https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3016569

Does this mean Moonfall has had a mini-me!?-but male version? I would like to know what colour he is. :D
Why did a Varnish Bay Dun x a Blue Roan make a foal that looked so much like Moonfall, when she was a foal...?

I would also like some help with these foals (colour wise): https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3015240
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3015237
is the second one a PLAIN chestnut??

Thanks!,
~Valley
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FantasyRanch3 Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:34 pm Posts: 3318

Re: Mini Moonfall?!? (x Blue Roan)

Post by FantasyRanch3 »

Sun Valley Ranch wrote:I have asked previously about my mare: Moonfall. BlackOak2 would remember her. https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2984254

I bred her (Moonfall) for the first time, with a blue roan stud, on the market.(Tristan) https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2327285

She gave birth to this colt here; https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3016569

Does this mean Moonfall has had a mini-me!?-but male version? I would like to know what colour he is. :D
Why did a Varnish Bay Dun x a Blue Roan make a foal that looked so much like Moonfall, when she was a foal...?

I would also like some help with these foals (colour wise): https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3015240
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3015237
is the second one a PLAIN chestnut??

Thanks!,
~Valley
I'm not great at colors but moonfalls foal may be a red roan when aged. And the last one is a chestnut. And the other colt has a marble snow cap
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EclipticEnd Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:21 am Posts: 1825

Re: Mini Moonfall?!? (x Blue Roan)

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Sun Valley Ranch wrote:
Kindred Gold is a Bay Dun Roan. You got the Bay Dun from Moonfall and the Roan from Tristan. You can tell that he's Dun due to the stripes on his legs as well as the stripe across the top of his back. You can faintly see the Roan texturing on your foal's body as well as in the shade. Note how bright the top of the neck is compared to the cheek; if he were just Dun then the body color would thereabouts match the cheek color. Only time will tell if your foal got the Varnish / Snowflakes from Moonfall.
Genetics:
E?/A?/Dd/Rn
I'm not certain on the amount of Black and Agouti (Bay) genes, but it's something you can fill out once it has foals of its own. If your foal is EE then all of it's foals will be either a Black base or a Bay base. If it is Ee then you'll see some Chestnut foals. If your horse is AA then all foals that have a Black gene will be Bay. If your horse is AAt then you'll see some Seal Brown/Seal Bay foals. If your horse is Aa then you'll see some Black bases. If your horse gains snowflakes or Varnish, then it'll also have at least one LP gene, same as the mother. LP doesn't impact snowflakes or Varnish, so without gaining a Blanket or Snowcap it'll be hard to tell if it's LPLP or LPlp.

Printed Glaze is Seal Brown (also known as Seal Bay) with Varnish / Bronzing, Snowcap, and Snowflakes. He also has Tiger Eyes. Bronzing is a stage before Varnish that only shows up on horses with Black genes, meaning Bay, Wild Bay, Seal, Black, and their dilutions. It makes the horse's color more of a golden/bronze color and will eventually turn back to the Silver/Grey of normal Varnish sometime in adulthood. An important thing to note with Tiger Eye is that it only shows up if the horse has two genes. As your horse has it, he's guaranteed to pass one gene down to any horses he sires in the future. If he's paired with a mare that also has two genes then the resulting foal will also have Tiger Eye.
Genetics:
E?/At?/TT/LPLP
Again, I'm not 100% certain about Black or Agouti genes. If all the foals are black or bay base, then it's EE. Else, it's Ee. Seal's recessive to Bay and Wild Bay, so unless it's paired with a Bay/Wild Bay mare then all of it's Bay foals should be Seal. If you get only Seals from black bases then it's AtAt. If you get some Blacks then it's Ata. TT means two Tiger Eye genes; it's guaranteed to pass one down. LPLP means Snowcap / Fewspot (as opposed to LPlp which is Blanket / Leopard).

You can look at pictures of this stud of mine to see how Bronzing might progress for your foal. Keep in mind that mine's a roan and also has a cream gene, which is why he's paler than yours is. You can see right around 4 years old that he's peak Bronzing, and then he begins to go back to the silver of plain Varnish.

Exchanged Feather is a Flaxen Chestnut. Flaxen is only visible on Chestnut bases; it's what's lightening the mane and tail of your foal. It's possible that he carries a Silver gene as the mother of this foal is a Silver Dapple (silver on black). Silver is not visible on Chestnut bases, and likewise Flaxen is not visible on anything but Chestnut bases. The only way to know would be for this horse to sire some foals. The horse's father is a Gold Champagne, which is simply Chestnut with the Champagne gene. The reason you got a Chestnut from this pairing is because the mother only has one black gene, which she did not pass on, and the father only has one champagne gene, which he also did not pass on. The Flaxen gene came from the mother.
Genetics:
ee/aa/Fn/Tt
Fn means one Flaxen gene. I may be wrong and there might be two; I'm unsure if the father has any Flaxen to pass down or not. If all of this horse's children that are chestnut are Flaxen, then it has two genes (FF). If you get any Silver Dapples, Silver Buckskins, etc., then that means that the mother passed down one Silver gene (Zn). If all non-chestnut foals are Silver, then that means the father passed a gene down as well and the foal has invisible double Silver genes (ZZ). I believe the father might have two Tiger Eye genes, which means this foal has one (Tt). The mother has no Agouti (Bay) genes so this foal can only have one gene at most (?a). I don't think that the father passed a gene down (aa), but there's a possibility that he might've? If he did then this foal might have some Bay's when matched with Black mares.

Sorry for the long post; I tend to write things down as I go through them, which means I tend to add too much information sometimes. Hopefully the influx of information is helpful, though. The genetics might not be perfectly correct, but I did them to the best of my ability.
Last edited by EclipticEnd on Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
Claudebot
Sun Valley Ranch Offline Visit My Farm Visit My Farm Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:26 am Posts: 36

Re: Mini Moonfall?!? (x Blue Roan)

Post by Sun Valley Ranch »

I dont mind the long posts. :) It's very helpful, Thanks so much.

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