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Re: And now, the what color is my horse forum!

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I love this game. One thing I've noticed on HWO is that black-based single-cream horse have neutral-colored manes and tails, while those without have red-tinted manes and tails. Champagne/Cream/Pearl on black are all colors I plan on basing my breeding program on, so I've been studying them fairly closely (I have a GIMP file with every genetic combination, in different shades from the old preview tool... XD).

Ghost is definitely Black +Cream +Champagne +Roan.
Puddle, who looks nothing like any shade of aa black I've ever encountered, has a somewhat similar body coloration to an image of a double pearl that I have, but the mane color is off. I might guess wild bay +cream.
Nelly is a Gold Champagne Roan.
Rage Face is Double Cream Champagne on black.

The other foals you posted are
1. Brown +Champagne +Cream +Roan (I think, haven't worked with many browns)
2. Brown +Champagne +Cream +Roan (again, I think)
3. Brown +Champagne
4. Wild Bay +Roan
5. Brown +Champagne +Cream +Roan (again, I think)
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Argent wrote: but the mane color is off
I mentioned this in chat but I'll post here too. Disregard mane/tail colour for now. I have to finish the artwork. Probably I'll get a lot of art updated this weekend.... hopefully.
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Ah mkay. So maybe she is pearl, but I've actually never come across a pearl in-game as of yet. The red m/t for non-cream, grey m/t for cream on black horses has held true consistently, however.

Also, a few color differences illustrated.
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I really really still think Puddle is black based. Black Cream Pearl Roan. I am breeding her more so we'll know for sure-ish at a later date.
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Ignore me :P
Or not. She could be a dark cream pearl, assuming the dam has a single copy of pearl, and then Rage Face would be a cream pearl as well, or double cream.
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I don't have time to look at my spreadsheet this instant, but yesterday I did have another foal born that changed my opinion on Rage Face's cream genes. I believe it changed my opinion to double cream, so it sounds like I'm finally getting my herd figured out a little!
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Nelly is not Palomino Pearl. Visually, a horse with one cream and one pearl should look like a double cream. She's champagne, I believe, though she oddly lacks the freckling. Maybe champagne pearl or champagne cream, but not cream pearl.
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I agree about Nelly being Palomino.

Here is my theory:
Nelly is a pale Palomino.
Ghost is Champagne with hidden Pearl.
Puddle is Cream+Pearl.
Rage Face is Champagne+Cream+Pearl

I could be way off, I'm only basing this off a few quick glances, but it could work.

Also, try not to base the exact shades too much off the demo. Some of the colour codes (specifically black and black+cream if I remember correctly) have been changed from the demo.
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I fiddled with HWO's horse demo tool, and it does look like you have Chestnut +Cream +Pearl as essentially the same as Chestnut +Cream, only paler. The literature I've read always states that cream pearl is visually identical to double cream, hence my assumption that that would hold true here. The palest palomino in the demo is nowhere near as pale as Nelly (even if I'm not taking the shades exactly, palominos are very much golden on HWO, and Nelly is very much cream), and her color is the same as every Chestnut +Champagne I've ever dealt with, so I stand by my theory that she carries champagne (without or without a cream/pearl gene), but see cream pearl as a viable option. Puddle's color is most appropriate for a double pearl (I know you said not to go off of the demo, but again, the undertones a very different between cream pearl and double pearl), which would mean that Ghost would have to be a pearl carrier as well, which doesn't coincide with the evidence I've collected regarding that phenotype (Black +Cream doesn't change the body coloration, only the mane and tail; all black non-creams have red-tinted m/t), but it's the theory that makes Puddle work, assuming she is double pearl.

I want to see Puddle bred to a smokey cream horse, to test the pearl/cream situation.
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I don't have the link handy right now but tonight I'll post a link to a thread on another forum. You might find it an interesting read through. I worked with a lot of breeders to get the colours shades right throughout the demo development.
Specifically with cream I was surprised at the ranges of shades the gene could appear.
Some Palominos can be so pale they look like Cremellos and vice-versa. I tried as best I could to imitate this in the game.

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