Returning Player - How much are horses worth?!

[Carbon]

Hello All -
I need some help.
I'm a returning player and cannot for the life of me figure out how much horses are worth.

I see average TB's go for over a million dollars and it blows my mind -
I have some older breeding stock and some new foals just put out that aren't exactly to my standard, so I need to sell them or move them to make way for a new foal crop. Can anyone tell me what I should price these horses at / what they're worth?
Mr. Elegant


No Name ( Yet )


Cut-Throat Kisses


No Name ( Yet )


Copper Deception


Golden Dreams

[Aurelia]

Hello All -
I need some help.
I'm a returning player and cannot for the life of me figure out how much horses are worth.

I see average TB's go for over a million dollars and it blows my mind -
I have some older breeding stock and some new foals just put out that aren't exactly to my standard, so I need to sell them or move them to make way for a new foal crop. Can anyone tell me what I should price these horses at / what they're worth?
Mr. Elegant


No Name ( Yet )


Cut-Throat Kisses


No Name ( Yet )


Copper Deception


Golden Dreams

I would say sell them for 300-500k. People sell them for ridiculous prices, and it’s stupid.

[Leopard HorseTrain]

Hello All -
I need some help.
I'm a returning player and cannot for the life of me figure out how much horses are worth.

I see average TB's go for over a million dollars and it blows my mind -
I have some older breeding stock and some new foals just put out that aren't exactly to my standard, so I need to sell them or move them to make way for a new foal crop. Can anyone tell me what I should price these horses at / what they're worth?
Mr. Elegant


No Name ( Yet )


Cut-Throat Kisses


No Name ( Yet )


Copper Deception


Golden Dreams

I would say sell them for 300-500k. People sell them for ridiculous prices, and it’s stupid.

Its not always a ridiculous price, people work hard on their lines/projects, and feel that they are worth the exact amount they are put to sell at, because of all the work, time, genetics, win % and competition wins. That is why people place their horses for sale at such a High price.

[BlackOak2]

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Yes. Tb's are about as popular on here as they are in other games and in real life.
Right now the most expensive ones are generally (but not always) coming from certain breeders' lines, have strong performance times or have strong WPS scores. Followed closely by this is color and overall scores and stats.

I'll only cover some of the ones, to give you a working idea, with the understanding that I'm a penny-pincher and that I don't always get the actual values accurately pinned down.

Mr Elegant comes from a decent enough, tested bloodline and shows promise himself. Those looking for arabians are generally of a split group: those that like the off-colors and those that don't like the off-colors. Either way, you should be able to get a good price for him. On an off day, he'll go as a grinder at somewhere between 50 to 150k, on a good day and with the right purchaser, I suspect you could get somewhere between 350 to 500k. But keep in mind, arabians, even good ones, are a dime a dozen.

Copper Deception, another arabian, is a good looking horse. Paired with the graying gene, he could find a quick home with someone. He's also stated toward the very top tier and backs it up with a blossoming record so far. He also has a proven pedigree and doesn't dwarf his breed standard. Many of the arabians are 18+ which in recent months has been a growing point against many of them. You should expect right near the top dollar for him, as far as the dime-a-dozen arabian breed can supply, anyway.

Golden Dreams is a mixed breed. Arab, Tb crosses are a bit unique. Not necessarily because they make a good cross, because it's kind of hit and miss whether they'll cross well or not. But because the cross is used to make the Anglo-Arabian, the Dole Trotter, the French Anglo-Arab, the Pozan, the Trakehner, and the Waler. So arguably, it can be said they're 'more useful' insofar as they've already been developed for the next step in the recipe. He appears to be well-bred, comes down from a tested dame line. His on-paper look appears to be right where it should be. His body look appears to be... rather a bit odd, but that doesn't mean he can't perform in his tasks, it's just a different look and may prove his undoing when potential buyers look at him. However, it could also be the very reason he gets bought over another Arab, Tb cross. I would expect somewhere in the range of 40-70k for him as he now stands, but that doesn't include potential use for recipe breeds. If he matches with many or most of those requirements, that could significantly increase his price... or maybe not. With him, I think it would depend on the buyer more than his look, stats and overall unknown abilities. So you understand, with the right buyer, looking for just the right look, on-paper and breed requirements, he could potentially go for upwards of the 100's k range... but then again, on a bad day, he might... might... sell for 10k grinder prospect.

It's still a difficult market.

[Carbon]

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Yes. Tb's are about as popular on here as they are in other games and in real life.
Right now the most expensive ones are generally (but not always) coming from certain breeders' lines, have strong performance times or have strong WPS scores. Followed closely by this is color and overall scores and stats.

I'll only cover some of the ones, to give you a working idea, with the understanding that I'm a penny-pincher and that I don't always get the actual values accurately pinned down.

Mr Elegant comes from a decent enough, tested bloodline and shows promise himself. Those looking for arabians are generally of a split group: those that like the off-colors and those that don't like the off-colors. Either way, you should be able to get a good price for him. On an off day, he'll go as a grinder at somewhere between 50 to 150k, on a good day and with the right purchaser, I suspect you could get somewhere between 350 to 500k. But keep in mind, arabians, even good ones, are a dime a dozen.

Copper Deception, another arabian, is a good looking horse. Paired with the graying gene, he could find a quick home with someone. He's also stated toward the very top tier and backs it up with a blossoming record so far. He also has a proven pedigree and doesn't dwarf his breed standard. Many of the arabians are 18+ which in recent months has been a growing point against many of them. You should expect right near the top dollar for him, as far as the dime-a-dozen arabian breed can supply, anyway.

Golden Dreams is a mixed breed. Arab, Tb crosses are a bit unique. Not necessarily because they make a good cross, because it's kind of hit and miss whether they'll cross well or not. But because the cross is used to make the Anglo-Arabian, the Dole Trotter, the French Anglo-Arab, the Pozan, the Trakehner, and the Waler. So arguably, it can be said they're 'more useful' insofar as they've already been developed for the next step in the recipe. He appears to be well-bred, comes down from a tested dame line. His on-paper look appears to be right where it should be. His body look appears to be... rather a bit odd, but that doesn't mean he can't perform in his tasks, it's just a different look and may prove his undoing when potential buyers look at him. However, it could also be the very reason he gets bought over another Arab, Tb cross. I would expect somewhere in the range of 40-70k for him as he now stands, but that doesn't include potential use for recipe breeds. If he matches with many or most of those requirements, that could significantly increase his price... or maybe not. With him, I think it would depend on the buyer more than his look, stats and overall unknown abilities. So you understand, with the right buyer, looking for just the right look, on-paper and breed requirements, he could potentially go for upwards of the 100's k range... but then again, on a bad day, he might... might... sell for 10k grinder prospect.

It's still a difficult market.

Thank you, you really put it all into perspective. I haven't played for quite a while so things have really changed around here! I have a few questions - I see horses with low HGP and only one or two gold go for a few million, and make decent money in the show ring. Does HGP and the gold/green really affect how a horse performs, or is that moreso conformation and luck?

[BlackOak2]

Thank you, you really put it all into perspective. I haven't played for quite a while so things have really changed around here! I have a few questions - I see horses with low HGP and only one or two gold go for a few million, and make decent money in the show ring. Does HGP and the gold/green really affect how a horse performs, or is that moreso conformation and luck?

HGP and BR is only one part of the equation into what makes a horse successful in competitions.
The equation takes the following into acount:
HGP (on-paper)
BR (on-paper)
Conformation (look)
Conformation (scores) (on-paper)
Hidden

As long as you bring together enough of these or enough of some of them, the horse can become successful in competitions.

That is why you see horses with relatively mediocre 'on-paper' looks, beating the butt of horse's with 'on-paper' looks that are rather extraordinary.

The hidden aspect to all of that and arguably can make a great 'on-paper' horse fail miserably and vice versa, is something that we only can best describe as 'heart' or 'heart gene'. The only way to find, track and breed those 'heart gene's' is to trial the horses in player-mades. Because it is only against other competition that the heart can be revealed. This is a hidden aspect (and maybe one of a few, or maybe not) that we have no proof of, but definitely appears to bridge the gap between why two very similar horses don't match up well, or also why two very dissimilar horses perform very outside of expected qualities.

However, all that being said... the better HGP and the stronger comment and color you have (according the the viable stats in the competition desired), does, indeed, have an impact and should have quite a considerable impact on the horse's overall potential performance.



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[Carbon]

Thank you, you really put it all into perspective. I haven't played for quite a while so things have really changed around here! I have a few questions - I see horses with low HGP and only one or two gold go for a few million, and make decent money in the show ring. Does HGP and the gold/green really affect how a horse performs, or is that moreso conformation and luck?

HGP and BR is only one part of the equation into what makes a horse successful in competitions.
The equation takes the following into acount:
HGP (on-paper)
BR (on-paper)
Conformation (look)
Conformation (scores) (on-paper)
Hidden

As long as you bring together enough of these or enough of some of them, the horse can become successful in competitions.

That is why you see horses with relatively mediocre 'on-paper' looks, beating the butt of horse's with 'on-paper' looks that are rather extraordinary.

The hidden aspect to all of that and arguably can make a great 'on-paper' horse fail miserably and vice versa, is something that we only can best describe as 'heart' or 'heart gene'. The only way to find, track and breed those 'heart gene's' is to trial the horses in player-mades. Because it is only against other competition that the heart can be revealed. This is a hidden aspect (and maybe one of a few, or maybe not) that we have no proof of, but definitely appears to bridge the gap between why two very similar horses don't match up well, or also why two very dissimilar horses perform very outside of expected qualities.

However, all that being said... the better HGP and the stronger comment and color you have (according the the viable stats in the competition desired), does, indeed, have an impact and should have quite a considerable impact on the horse's overall potential performance.



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Yes you did! very lovey as well, Thank you!. Are there any forums that show the recommended temperament for each discipline as well as the conformational scores for each discipline? Like something that says that horses with over 60+ speed are well suited for racing etc. ?

[BlackOak2]

Yes you did! very lovey as well, Thank you!. Are there any forums that show the recommended temperament for each discipline as well as the conformational scores for each discipline? Like something that says that horses with over 60+ speed are well suited for racing etc. ?

For the most part, the information you want, can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11683
Keep in mind that the temperament for each discipline is 'best guess', based off of real life and through proof-of-theory. However, each bloodline may perform outside of that. Such as many of us have better luck outside of the racing temperament of high strung and instead keep our racers at the last tick of spirited (just before turning to high strung). This is also true with weight (weight help can be found on the horse profile page the question mark beside 'Feeding').

And for the stats for each discipline (conformation scores themselves is a hard-value for us to utilize to guide us by) can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1235
To remind you, any stat that is NOT mentioned for that competition is NOT evaluated at all.

And for 'best horse' references, I recommend swinging by the Record Holders page and clicking on the top and some of the recent past Rh's. You might find some extremely surprising information. Like, for instance, one of our top Rh horses in sprint is a 'medium-light' runner and not a 'very light'.