What color is she???

[Charlette]

I have a mare that I think is a pretty color but I don't know what it would be. Ive always been bad with anything that had something to do with color

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2779614

[BlackOak2]

I have a mare that I think is a pretty color but I don't know what it would be. Ive always been bad with anything that had anything to do with color

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2779614

I think... double cream with champagne on red. Pseudo-white (obviously). It's the base I'm not too sure about. I keep thinking I see dapples though. Not much help, so either black or red. NOT agouti.

[Charlette]

I have a mare that I think is a pretty color but I don't know what it would be. Ive always been bad with anything that had anything to do with color

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2779614

I think... double cream with champagne on red. Pseudo-white (obviously). It's the base I'm not too sure about. I keep thinking I see dapples though. Not much help, so either black or red. NOT agouti.

Tysm ^-^
Also how can you tell the deference between cream and champagne genes and how much of it a horse has

[BlackOak2]

I think... double cream with champagne on red. Pseudo-white (obviously). It's the base I'm not too sure about. I keep thinking I see dapples though. Not much help, so either black or red. NOT agouti.

Tysm ^-^
Also how can you tell the deference between cream and champagne genes and how much of it a horse has

Champagne will always have freckles. If you see freckles, there's champagne. No freckles, no champagne. But when paired with some of the dilutions (cream and pearl) they can become quite lightly expressed, almost invisible.
Under most circumstances, a pseudo-white is a triple dilute, either cream or also pearl paired with champagne. So it would be champagne plus two creams, champagne plus two pearls or champagne plus a cream and a pearl. One champagne gene or two champagne genes won't change the appearance of the horse. However, single and double creams, pearl or a cream and a pearl WILL alter the appearance.

A single cream is responsible for palomino, buckskin and smoky black and brown. I described it best to myself as 'turning parts of the coat yellow or yellow-tan'.
A single pearl will not change the expression of a coat at all. We end up calling this 'hidden pearl'.
Two creams take a coat and turn it a 'whiter type of yellow'. So for red, it makes it a white-yellow and for brown and black coats, it creates a 'desert brown' or a 'dull, pale goldish'.
Two pearls, however will never change the eye color of a horse. So if it looks like a double cream, but it's 'not quite right' and it has brown eyes, then it's likely the result of pearls and not creams.

And finally... a cream and a pearl resembles a double cream, right down to the blue eyes... except in some cases, the coat is a bit more toward the darker end of the spectrum, just a tad less diluted.

When we get to pseudo-whites however... differentiating what might be cream or pearl and what the base color is, gets extensively hard. Generally, the legs will give away if the horse is affected by agouti. Agouti will change the leg color from the body color at a fair pace, offering usually, but not always, almost silvery-like legs. White legs versus the pseudo-white body.

Sometimes the parentage will define whether it's cream or pearl, sometimes the pseudo's go so far back that it gets lengthy to research.
Some things that help define the difference between cream and pearl in a lineage is that no pearl can come from a single cream parent (palomino, buckskin, etc) because the horse would be a double dilute then and not a single dilute. And also, a pearl will pop up suddenly in a long line of solids. So bays, blacks, chestnuts will suddenly pop up a double dilute. This is hidden pearl finding another hidden pearl (two pearls in the resulting foal).

Does that cover it?

[Charlette]

Tysm ^-^
Also how can you tell the deference between cream and champagne genes and how much of it a horse has

Champagne will always have freckles. If you see freckles, there's champagne. No freckles, no champagne. But when paired with some of the dilutions (cream and pearl) they can become quite lightly expressed, almost invisible.
Under most circumstances, a pseudo-white is a triple dilute, either cream or also pearl paired with champagne. So it would be champagne plus two creams, champagne plus two pearls or champagne plus a cream and a pearl. One champagne gene or two champagne genes won't change the appearance of the horse. However, single and double creams, pearl or a cream and a pearl WILL alter the appearance.

A single cream is responsible for palomino, buckskin and smoky black and brown. I described it best to myself as 'turning parts of the coat yellow or yellow-tan'.
A single pearl will not change the expression of a coat at all. We end up calling this 'hidden pearl'.
Two creams take a coat and turn it a 'whiter type of yellow'. So for red, it makes it a white-yellow and for brown and black coats, it creates a 'desert brown' or a 'dull, pale goldish'.
Two pearls, however will never change the eye color of a horse. So if it looks like a double cream, but it's 'not quite right' and it has brown eyes, then it's likely the result of pearls and not creams.

And finally... a cream and a pearl resembles a double cream, right down to the blue eyes... except in some cases, the coat is a bit more toward the darker end of the spectrum, just a tad less diluted.

When we get to pseudo-whites however... differentiating what might be cream or pearl and what the base color is, gets extensively hard. Generally, the legs will give away if the horse is affected by agouti. Agouti will change the leg color from the body color at a fair pace, offering usually, but not always, almost silvery-like legs. White legs versus the pseudo-white body.

Sometimes the parentage will define whether it's cream or pearl, sometimes the pseudo's go so far back that it gets lengthy to research.
Some things that help define the difference between cream and pearl in a lineage is that no pearl can come from a single cream parent (palomino, buckskin, etc) because the horse would be a double dilute then and not a single dilute. And also, a pearl will pop up suddenly in a long line of solids. So bays, blacks, chestnuts will suddenly pop up a double dilute. This is hidden pearl finding another hidden pearl (two pearls in the resulting foal).

Does that cover it?

Yep it does tysm

[BlackOak2]