What color is this horse?

[Ivy Stables Holding]

Hi, I thing this horse is a grey snowflake appaloosa, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know?

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[BlackOak2]

Hi, I thing this horse is a grey snowflake appaloosa, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know?

Grey denotes the graying gene. He doesn't have that. What you're seeing is the varnish gene, that is responsible for his silvering over his body and also his silvering of his mane and tail. He does have leopard, some people call that appaloosa, others will offer 'blanket'. On our game almost every horse that has a blanket will also have some sort of snowflakes (it's almost impossible to separate the two through breeding).
Your horse is on a black-base, in this case Bay. He also has the dun gene (see his yearling photo, you'll see stripes on his legs). And also tiger eye (green eyes, in his case, they're shifted to the gray spectrum).

I would pose his color as bay dun blanket with tiger eye.

He is quite the looker.

[Ivy Stables Holding]

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What about this horse?

[shadowheart2006]

Suspect

What about this horse?

It's hard to tell because there are no pictures of her when she was younger, so I'm not sure if she's bay or chestnut, but whatever the base is there's snowflakes, tigereye, a blanket, and greying over it

[h0rsey]

Suspect

What about this horse?

It's hard to tell because there are no pictures of her when she was younger, so I'm not sure if she's bay or chestnut, but whatever the base is there's snowflakes, tigereye, a blanket, and greying over it

I agree. I think she's a greying blanket bay dun with snowflakes.

[Malakai10]

Hi, I thing this horse is a grey snowflake appaloosa, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know?

Grey denotes the graying gene. He doesn't have that. What you're seeing is the varnish gene, that is responsible for his silvering over his body and also his silvering of his mane and tail. He does have leopard, some people call that appaloosa, others will offer 'blanket'. On our game almost every horse that has a blanket will also have some sort of snowflakes (it's almost impossible to separate the two through breeding).
Your horse is on a black-base, in this case Bay. He also has the dun gene (see his yearling photo, you'll see stripes on his legs). And also tiger eye (green eyes, in his case, they're shifted to the gray spectrum).

I would pose his color as bay dun blanket with tiger eye.

He is quite the looker.

Just one thing I disagree with: leopard and blanket aren't interchangeable. (Near) leopard/fewspot is caused by PATN1, covering at least the torso of the horse to the entire horse and (extended) blanket/snowcap by PATN2 and covers less than the entire torso of the horse - or, at least, people think blanket and leopard are caused by two different genes - even if they aren't, leopard and blanket still aren't interchangeable, even if the line between the two can become blurred.

[Malakai10]

It's hard to tell because there are no pictures of her when she was younger, so I'm not sure if she's bay or chestnut, but whatever the base is there's snowflakes, tigereye, a blanket, and greying over it

I agree. I think she's a greying blanket bay dun with snowflakes.

Her eyes look blue - I would lean more towards calling her a tiger eye grey on dunskin blanket.

[BlackOak2]

Grey denotes the graying gene. He doesn't have that. What you're seeing is the varnish gene, that is responsible for his silvering over his body and also his silvering of his mane and tail. He does have leopard, some people call that appaloosa, others will offer 'blanket'. On our game almost every horse that has a blanket will also have some sort of snowflakes (it's almost impossible to separate the two through breeding).
Your horse is on a black-base, in this case Bay. He also has the dun gene (see his yearling photo, you'll see stripes on his legs). And also tiger eye (green eyes, in his case, they're shifted to the gray spectrum).

I would pose his color as bay dun blanket with tiger eye.

He is quite the looker.

Just one thing I disagree with: leopard and blanket aren't interchangeable. (Near) leopard/fewspot is caused by PATN1, covering at least the torso of the horse to the entire horse and (extended) blanket/snowcap by PATN2 and covers less than the entire torso of the horse - or, at least, people think blanket and leopard are caused by two different genes - even if they aren't, leopard and blanket still aren't interchangeable, even if the line between the two can become blurred.

To be clear, in this statement: 'He does have leopard, some people call that appaloosa, others will offer 'blanket'.'
When I said the word 'leopard' I was referring to him having the leopard gene and not the leopard pattern. However, I can see how that can be mistaken.

And I agree with what you said, leopard (full or false) and it's fewspot sibling is NOT the same as blanket (extended or otherwise Not full leopard) or snowcap and the otherwise fewspot sibling of the blanket. That also offers a difference in PATN1 and PATN2... but doesn't describe a difference between them when PATN2 can become a false leopard. Until we have gene testing, the theory between PATN1 and PATN2 on this game will remain simply a theory. And so a true leopard and a false leopard will still remain nominally unproven... and that irritates me a bit.

[BlackOak2]

It's hard to tell because there are no pictures of her when she was younger, so I'm not sure if she's bay or chestnut, but whatever the base is there's snowflakes, tigereye, a blanket, and greying over it

I agree. I think she's a greying blanket bay dun with snowflakes.

In the case of this second horse... I agree with the aforementioned colors (and the tiger eye as well), with the sole exception of the base color. I suspect that this horse is red and not black. The lack of the black nose is a tell-tale hint that the mare is likely red. But... without any foal pictures at least, only by breeding to a hetrozygous black will reveal if this horse is truly red or not and only if this horse ever pops another red foal.

[Malakai10]

Just one thing I disagree with: leopard and blanket aren't interchangeable. (Near) leopard/fewspot is caused by PATN1, covering at least the torso of the horse to the entire horse and (extended) blanket/snowcap by PATN2 and covers less than the entire torso of the horse - or, at least, people think blanket and leopard are caused by two different genes - even if they aren't, leopard and blanket still aren't interchangeable, even if the line between the two can become blurred.

To be clear, in this statement: 'He does have leopard, some people call that appaloosa, others will offer 'blanket'.'
When I said the word 'leopard' I was referring to him having the leopard gene and not the leopard pattern. However, I can see how that can be mistaken.

And I agree with what you said, leopard (full or false) and it's fewspot sibling is NOT the same as blanket (extended or otherwise Not full leopard) or snowcap and the otherwise fewspot sibling of the blanket. That also offers a difference in PATN1 and PATN2... but doesn't describe a difference between them when PATN2 can become a false leopard. Until we have gene testing, the theory between PATN1 and PATN2 on this game will remain simply a theory. And so a true leopard and a false leopard will still remain nominally unproven... and that irritates me a bit.

That makes sense now - I tend just to use varnish roan for Lp to avoid confusion

And, yeah, we'll definitely be rather glad to get gene testing!

Are we able to breed PATN2 so extensively that it looks like leopard? ... do we even know if we actually have PATN1 if that's the case? Are all of our 'leopards' actually just really, really extended blankets?