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Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
not bad feature to have, may be an advantage more so to a hot headed stallion, which should settle it down, advantage of one is also if i am correct, they can perform better in competitions, so may be an advantage to have on here for sure
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
About physical appearance of horses: as it is now, trained horses become muscular (regardless of gender). This is fairly accurate. *Both* males and females appear to develop thicker necks as they age, which would not be quite as accurate for geldings or mares. However, a great deal depends on the individual and how and what it's being trained to do -- also its breed. With some draft breeds I can't readily distinguish between females and males without resorting to the most basic identifiers.
Speaking of which, I would like HWO males to have visible sheaths. I am aware that keeping the game operating and debugging the new features is going to take plenty of effort and time for now.
Speaking of which, I would like HWO males to have visible sheaths. I am aware that keeping the game operating and debugging the new features is going to take plenty of effort and time for now.
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
I agree - primary and secondary sexual characters would be nice to see. Since eventually the game will deal with pretty realistic genetic disorders, a sheath isn't really a big deal, I don't think. But, you're right, there is a lot more to update and implement before art tweaks.Scythian wrote:About physical appearance of horses: as it is now, trained horses become muscular (regardless of gender). This is fairly accurate. *Both* males and females appear to develop thicker necks as they age, which would not be quite as accurate for geldings or mares. However, a great deal depends on the individual and how and what it's being trained to do -- also its breed. With some draft breeds I can't readily distinguish between females and males without resorting to the most basic identifiers.
Speaking of which, I would like HWO males to have visible sheaths. I am aware that keeping the game operating and debugging the new features is going to take plenty of effort and time for now.
As for stallion/gelding features, I would be OK with geldings getting a small bonus in shows to encourage gelding. And I think some sort of limiting feature for stallions would be realistic. I think it could tie into the stallion handling skill, but I think it would be nice to include a buy-out option. I'll explain.
So, say that your stallion handling skill level determines how many intact males above the age of 3 years you can own. When a colt turns three, if keeping him intact would exceed the number of studs you can own at once, you'd get a warning that you need to geld a horse before progressing and would be routed to a pop-up to make a choice. That way you could retire an old stud if you wanted to keep the young horse intact.
However, say that you're like me and you work with a ton of breeds at once. Because I can only have so many heads per breed to begin with, I don't want any geldings just hanging around taking up space. And, to avoid founder affect, I also do not want to only use one or two sires per breed at a time. I think that in the event that you do not want to geld any of your horses, there should be an option to pay a fee to leave that horse intact. Pretend the fee goes to hiring an extra hand just for the studs. The fee should be high enough that it encourages you to keep leveling stallion handling, but not so high that paying it multiple times a day is horrible. Maybe it could be in pony tokens, as an incentive to buy them? Say five?
I also think the number of studs you're able to own should not be the same as the number you're able to offer for stud. That should probably start higher and scale higher per level.
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No support.equagga wrote:I agree - primary and secondary sexual characters would be nice to see. Since eventually the game will deal with pretty realistic genetic disorders, a sheath isn't really a big deal, I don't think. But, you're right, there is a lot more to update and implement before art tweaks.Scythian wrote:About physical appearance of horses: as it is now, trained horses become muscular (regardless of gender). This is fairly accurate. *Both* males and females appear to develop thicker necks as they age, which would not be quite as accurate for geldings or mares. However, a great deal depends on the individual and how and what it's being trained to do -- also its breed. With some draft breeds I can't readily distinguish between females and males without resorting to the most basic identifiers.
Speaking of which, I would like HWO males to have visible sheaths. I am aware that keeping the game operating and debugging the new features is going to take plenty of effort and time for now.
As for stallion/gelding features, I would be OK with geldings getting a small bonus in shows to encourage gelding. And I think some sort of limiting feature for stallions would be realistic. I think it could tie into the stallion handling skill, but I think it would be nice to include a buy-out option. I'll explain.
So, say that your stallion handling skill level determines how many intact males above the age of 3 years you can own. When a colt turns three, if keeping him intact would exceed the number of studs you can own at once, you'd get a warning that you need to geld a horse before progressing and would be routed to a pop-up to make a choice. That way you could retire an old stud if you wanted to keep the young horse intact.
However, say that you're like me and you work with a ton of breeds at once. Because I can only have so many heads per breed to begin with, I don't want any geldings just hanging around taking up space. And, to avoid founder affect, I also do not want to only use one or two sires per breed at a time. I think that in the event that you do not want to geld any of your horses, there should be an option to pay a fee to leave that horse intact. Pretend the fee goes to hiring an extra hand just for the studs. The fee should be high enough that it encourages you to keep leveling stallion handling, but not so high that paying it multiple times a day is horrible. Maybe it could be in pony tokens, as an incentive to buy them? Say five?
I also think the number of studs you're able to own should not be the same as the number you're able to offer for stud. That should probably start higher and scale higher per level.
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
Personally, I like the idea of eventually adding gelding, especially for how it could/would/should influence showing. I really like the idea of stallion vs. gelding being yet another wrinkle into the complexity of showmanship. At that point, people would have to make some strong decisions about breeding vs. showing and I think that would only add to the game. I also think that there should (eventually) be penalties to showing and even training pregnant mares (at least near the end of their pregnancy). Though that might just get rolled in when injuries are a thing.
I also do like the idea of keeping a stud intact affecting how a horse looks as he ages - icing on the stud vs. gelding cake!
I also do like the idea of keeping a stud intact affecting how a horse looks as he ages - icing on the stud vs. gelding cake!
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
Is there an option to geld stallions?
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
Well, I'll be happy to see geldings in game. As far as I can say, it can be useful in situations like mine:
if I got really good horse (for example HGP over 63k, 3-5 golds and/or greens) but he's not suitable for me as a breed prospect, I would like to geld him and sell without hesitation.
if I got really good horse (for example HGP over 63k, 3-5 golds and/or greens) but he's not suitable for me as a breed prospect, I would like to geld him and sell without hesitation.
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
I would like to see the horse's appearance change if it was left a stud. I personally favor the idea of geldings. Maybe one thing could be added as an extra training stat/condition called "handling." Say there were two studs that were exactly the same in a competition, the only exception is one has a higher "handling" stat. The stud with the higher "handling" stat should win because he would act out less when he is around mares or other studs. Geldings and mares wouldn't have this stat affect their competition. This would encourage gelding horses that are only intended to show because there would be less training involved with preparing him for competition and it makes it slightly harder to have top-level stallions compared to top-level mares and gelding, making it model the real world. There are typically less high-level studs compared to mares in the real world. This would also help eliminate lower-quality studs because breeders could geld anything they believe to be lesser quality. This can be beneficial in improving a breed.
Maybe another thing that could be implemented is stallions and mares over a certain age kept in the same pasture, specifically during the spring and summer, have a high percentage of the stallions and mares breeding without you knowing. This would mean that you would have to ultrasound the mare regularly to ensure she isn't pregnant or DNA test the foal after it is born to prove who it's sire is otherwise it is considered grade or 50% whatever the mares breed is and 50% unknown. In addition, if stallions over a certain age are kept in the same pasture they have x% chance of fighting and injuring themselves. Mare and gelding could be kept together or geldings and stallions could be kept together with little worry. This would encourage people to geld horses to prevent unwanted colts and injuries.
Maybe another thing that could be implemented is stallions and mares over a certain age kept in the same pasture, specifically during the spring and summer, have a high percentage of the stallions and mares breeding without you knowing. This would mean that you would have to ultrasound the mare regularly to ensure she isn't pregnant or DNA test the foal after it is born to prove who it's sire is otherwise it is considered grade or 50% whatever the mares breed is and 50% unknown. In addition, if stallions over a certain age are kept in the same pasture they have x% chance of fighting and injuring themselves. Mare and gelding could be kept together or geldings and stallions could be kept together with little worry. This would encourage people to geld horses to prevent unwanted colts and injuries.
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Another idea to consider, when gelding becomes a thing, is the ability to collect straws of semen from stallions. Not only could it open up a new market on HWO (selling/taking offers on straws of semen from geldings or stallions that aren't necessarily open to public stud), it also allows owners/breeders to use them for a short time after they are gelded.
A different game I used to play had a gelding and semen collection system that worked very well. It kept private lines private, and added another layer of realism to the game. ^^
I think in that game we were able to collect just about as much semen as we wanted/could store, and when it came time for breeding, for a breeding to be successful it would use 2 straws every time to ensure the mare was pregnant.
As for geldings having an edge over stallions... eh, I'd like if anything, that gelding would simply level the playing field, if possible in certain disciplines. I'm new, but I feel like I've read in some places on here that a more upbeat/spirited horse would do better in certain disciplines such as racing; whereas a calmer disposition would be better in other disciplines. If that's correct, and gelding kind of mellows out/focuses otherwise high spirited stallions, then I can't see them necessarily having an edge over stallions every time in every discipline unless they had an issue with temperament in the first place. It would, however, make sense if geldings did better in some or most disciplines, but not all. Another interesting aspect of gelding to consider is the time frame in which we can geld. Of course, we can geld at any age. However, if the stallions are too old, as in real life, they may be more prone to injury and after a certain age gelding may not yield the desired affect as behavioral issues are learned, after all. I read in a few places that some 30% of colts & stallions are completely unaffected by gelding, too.
Regardless, I both dread and look forward to the update. Haha It will be a game changer! ^^
A different game I used to play had a gelding and semen collection system that worked very well. It kept private lines private, and added another layer of realism to the game. ^^
I think in that game we were able to collect just about as much semen as we wanted/could store, and when it came time for breeding, for a breeding to be successful it would use 2 straws every time to ensure the mare was pregnant.
As for geldings having an edge over stallions... eh, I'd like if anything, that gelding would simply level the playing field, if possible in certain disciplines. I'm new, but I feel like I've read in some places on here that a more upbeat/spirited horse would do better in certain disciplines such as racing; whereas a calmer disposition would be better in other disciplines. If that's correct, and gelding kind of mellows out/focuses otherwise high spirited stallions, then I can't see them necessarily having an edge over stallions every time in every discipline unless they had an issue with temperament in the first place. It would, however, make sense if geldings did better in some or most disciplines, but not all. Another interesting aspect of gelding to consider is the time frame in which we can geld. Of course, we can geld at any age. However, if the stallions are too old, as in real life, they may be more prone to injury and after a certain age gelding may not yield the desired affect as behavioral issues are learned, after all. I read in a few places that some 30% of colts & stallions are completely unaffected by gelding, too.
Regardless, I both dread and look forward to the update. Haha It will be a game changer! ^^
Re: Gelding, stallion features, etc. Please read!
This gives me no information on how to make a stallion to a gelding!!! So how do you do it???? I need you to help me on this because I have no clue. And when I searched it up, this is what it gave me, NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER!!!!! So please give me the information please that I need and not this junky stuff please!!!!!!