Player-held Conformation Shows

[Revenant]

Has anyone considering hosting community shows around breeds, sort of like a model horse show (or even a real horse show)? I've only shown rabbits IRL so I don't know quite as much as some people, but I figure conformation shows would be too finicky for the game to ever create. Instead I wondered if we could host player-made game-type shows where you win, say, bragging rights and maybe even donated art or game money.

You could have a few judges that don't enter their own horses and they could go by the breed standard either listed on the breed's Breeding Community page or the breed's real life association standard. It could go by the Eval with OA 5/4* being best, general breed conformation, coloration, and maybe a small number of points given for BR and horse genetic potential? We could set up our own HWO Standards booklet maybe... Then horses could win, say, Best of Variety (color) and opposite (ex: mare and stallion), Best of Breed and opposite, and Best in Show and opposite. Classes could be by breed if a certain number entered, but if there's a small number entered there could be an Any Other Variety class or similar.

Would anyone be interested in getting involved in a community and player project like this? I would be willing to do a lot of the legwork.

Link 1: http://www.horseworldonline.net/forum/v ... 267#p21267
Link 2: http://www.horseworldonline.net/forum/v ... 442#p21442

[Argent II]

Conformation shows and ratings are on the to do list.

[larissar]

Conformation shows and ratings are on the to do list.

But it will still be a while before they are added to the game. I think this idea is wonderful. If you get enough interest I can create special prizes. Perhaps a unique wearable item for example.

[Revenant]

Conformation shows and ratings are on the to do list.

But it will still be a while before they are added to the game. I think this idea is wonderful. If you get enough interest I can create special prizes. Perhaps a unique wearable item for example.

Oh wow. Thanks for your seal of approval, larissar. <3 I'll get to work on making this a reality then!

If anyone wants to be a judge (I figure I'll be one to begin with--along with Registrar and other roles), feel free to let me know. Anyone who runs a Breeding Community or has horses IRL would be especially liked as a judge, but anyone can "audition". You also don't have to be an upgraded player because while conformation scores would be useful as a metric for a judge, we're going by phenotype ("looks").

Anyone can also post their comments, questions, or suggestions here to help with this project. First of all, I have two questions for everyone (may start polls, we'll see).

• 1. Should horses have to be purebred to enter in their breed? Would it be acceptable as long as the horse only has one breed's name as their breed (ex: Mixed Spanish Barb)?
  
  2. Should all breeds be judged by the same metric, or should certain breeds get more points for certain attributes? For instance, should a one/few color breed get more points for color?

[Devolare]

I'd definitely be up for something like this!

What breeds would we be looking at tho? Because some people breed horses that only they have and that's it. Perhaps it would be good to break them up by category. So like all the Arabians (Arabian, Polish, Shagya, Persian, Hispano, etc) or the ponies get shown together? It would kind of stink if someone specializes in a certain breed and can't really participate.

Also, I would be up for making some art for prizes too.

[larissar]

Also, I would be up for making some art for prizes too.

I hadn't thought of that, but if you or anyone want to donate art for prizes I can provide a template for the horse image with instructions how to draw wearables on the horse. I would have to come up with some Terms of Service donators would have to agree to in order to use their art on the site. Just to keep things legal all around.

[nyraeia]

Also, I would be up for making some art for prizes too.

I hadn't thought of that, but if you or anyone want to donate art for prizes I can provide a template for the horse image with instructions how to draw wearables on the horse. I would have to come up with some Terms of Service donators would have to agree to in order to use their art on the site. Just to keep things legal all around.

Oooh, this is an awesome idea! I want to donate, too!

[Revenant]

I'd definitely be up for something like this!

What breeds would we be looking at tho? Because some people breed horses that only they have and that's it. Perhaps it would be good to break them up by category. So like all the Arabians (Arabian, Polish, Shagya, Persian, Hispano, etc) or the ponies get shown together? It would kind of stink if someone specializes in a certain breed and can't really participate.

Also, I would be up for making some art for prizes too.

This is a good idea, Devolare. I was thinking I would break up the horses by category and have weekend shows. So you'd have cold-blooded horses, hot-blooded horses, warm-blooded horses, and miniature horses/ponies. Considering how many breeds there are, it may be good to have breed specialty days (as per your example, Arabian Day).

[Revenant]

So yesterday I spent a lot of time figuring out which breed categories to set up. I decided on the Cold-blooded (Draft, Heavy); Hot-blooded (Light); Warm-blooded (Moderate); and Miniature Horses/Ponies categories. Then I started working on classes. Here's some of my WIP document, if anyone has comments/questions/suggestions.

"Requirements for Entry:
Horse must be purebred or only have one breed listed.
Horses must be 3-4* for their breed. (Judges will check when possible, but with rare breeds this is done on an honor system.)
Horses should be in good condition for their breed. A poor horse in any breed will be DQ’d. A thin hot-blood or fat cold-blood is acceptable.
Horses must be four-years-old (4) in order to show. Only mares and stallions can show at this point in time as there would be much difficulty in properly judging foals.

Information
Horses will be judged by Breeding Community standards and real life breed standards. Conformation may be looked at by judges to see how closely it matches and/or the judge may go by phenotype (“looks”).
Training is not required, but the Breeder’s Report and Horse Genetic Potential will be looked at. Show wins do not improve your horse’s chance of winning.
Red stats are considered a flaw and take away points.
Coloration is involved. In breeds where only one or few colors are accepted, the closer the horse is to the correct color, the more color points it receives. Perfectly colored horses get full points. In breeds where color is not an issue, more points will be given for other traits.
Mane/tail length and type, as well as feathering, will be considered. Points will be added or taken away based on these.
Temperament will receive a small number of points and be based on breed type similar to weight.

Rules
Judges may not enter their own horses in events they themselves are judging.

Notes
If you have difficulty with one judge, please contact the other judges. If there is any sort of problem relating to the rules of the game, please also contact the mods."

"CLASSES
At the moment, only breeds with over 500 horses listed in the Breed Wiki will get their own sanctioned breed show. Other breeds will have specific classes involving them. Critical breeds (<50 horses) will have their own class altogether. Horses who have too few entries and don’t fit into any specific class will be placed in AOV. If more than five horses and three handlers enter, a request for breed sanction can be made (if AOV or Critical). Breed color sanctions can be arranged in all classes in order to produce Best of Variety wins if more than five horses and three handlers enter (ex: five gray Lipizzaner mares entered by three different handlers)."

[Revenant]

I also more or less figured out the AOV and Critical classes based on The Complete Encyclopedia of Horses & Ponies and the Breed Wiki. Some of the breeds I am unsure about, so if anyone would like to enter them (or a new game breed, such as the Toy Arabian), please let me know and we can work something out.

Coldblood (Draft, Heavy) Specialty
Classes-

• France TRAIT: Ardennais, Auxois, Boulonnais, Breton, Comtois, Norman Cob, Percheron, Poitevin, & Trait du Nord.
  Belgian
  Forest Horse
  Friesian
  Critical Breed
  AOV

Coldblood AOV Breeds

• Clydesdale
  Shire
  Noriker
  North Swedish Horse

Coldblood Critical Breeds

• American Cream Draft
  Dutch Draft
  Dole Gudbrandsal
  Finnish Draft
  Irish Draught
  Italian Heavy Draft
  Rhineland Heavy Draft
  Russian Heavy Draft
  Soviet Heavy Draft
  Suffolk Punch

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Hotblood (Light) Specialty
Classes-

• Barb: Barbs other than NAB may enter.
  Other Arabian: Gidran, Hispano, Persian, Plateau Persian, Polish, Shagya
  Part Arabian: Anglo-Arab, French Anglo-Arab, Morab, Pintabian
  Part TB: Anglo-Arab, French Anglo-Arab, Appendix Quarter Horse
  Akhal-Teke
  Arabian
  North African Barb
  Thoroughbred
  Turkmeme
  Critical Breed
  AOV

Hotblood AOV Breeds

• Kathiawari
  Mariwari

Hotblood Critical Breeds

• Iomud

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Miniature/Pony* Specialty
Classes-

• American: Falabella (S), Icelandic Pony (N), Pony of the Americas (N)
  UK: Dartmoor, Eriskay, Exmoor, & Welsh Mountain/Section B/Section C/Section D
  Continental European: Dulmen, Haflinger, Norwegian Fjord, & Sorraia
  Caspian
  Przewalski Horse
  Shetland Pony
  Tarpan
  Critical Breed
  AOV: Abyssinian

*Under 14.2 hh.

Miniature/Pony Critical Breeds

• Ariegois
  Australian Pony
  Bali
  Bashkir
  Bosnian Pony
  Camargue
  Chincoteague
  Chinese Guoxia
  Connemara
  Chinese Pony
  Dales
  Faeroes Pony
  Fell
  Galician Pony (or Asturian)
  Garrano
  Gotland (Skogsruss)
  Hackney Pony
  Highland Pony
  Hucul
  Java
  Kaimanawa
  Kazakh
  Kerry Bog Pony
  Konik
  Landais
  Little Pony (Neon4)
  Miniature
  Mongolian
  New Forest Pony
  Nigerian
  Northlands
  Pindos Pony
  Pottock (or Basque)
  Quarter Pony
  Sable Island Pony
  Sardinian
  Sumba/Sumbawa
  Skyros
  Tibetan Pony
  Timor Pony
  Zemaituka/Zhemaituka

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Warmblood (Moderate) Specialty
Classes-

• Colonial Spanish Strain: Chickasaw, Choctaw Indian Horse, Florida Cracker, Mustang, Spanish Barb, Spanish Jennet, Spanish Mustang
  Part Arabian: Morab? Pintabian?
  Part TB: Appendix Quarter Horse?
  Warmbloods: Canadian, Danish, Dutch, Hanoverian, Holstein, Oldenburg, Selle Francais?, Swedish, Swiss, Trakehner,
  Andalusian
  Appaloosa
  Quarter Horse
  Critical Breed
  AOV

Warmblood AOV Breeds

• (American) Bashkir Curly
  Carthusian
  Cleveland Bay
  Criollo
  Frederiksborg
  Hackney Horse
  Kabarda/Karabakh/Karabair
  Lusitano
  Mangalarga Machador
  Morgan
  Orlov Trotter
  Paint
  Russian Don
  Standardbred

Warmblood Critical Breeds

• Alter-Real
  American Creme and White
  American Saddlebred
  (Australian) Brumby
  Australian Stock Horse
  Azteca
  Calabrese
  Canadian Horse
  Colorado Ranger
  East Friesian
  Finnish Universal
  French Trotter
  Furioso
  Gelderlander
  Groningen
  Indianbred
  Irish Sport Horse
  Kaimanawa
  Knabstrupper
  Latvian Riding Horse
  Lipizzaner
  Lokai
  Maremmana
  Nonius
  Paso Fino
  Peruvian Paso
  Russian Trotter
  Salerno
  Sardinian
  Selle Francais?
  Tennessee Walking Horse
  Tersk
  Wielkopolski