Sooty Weirdo

[Retsi]

I've been breeding sooty/dapple TBs for many many generations now and I've been seeing some unusual coloring expressed, no doubt from inbreeding. I've been line breeding to strengthen the dapple and sooty (and fluffy ) characteristics. So what the heck is this color? I see the sooty on her but the color has me stumped

[AHorseandPonyLover]

I've been breeding sooty/dapple TBs for many many generations now and I've been seeing some unusual coloring expressed, no doubt from inbreeding. I've been line breeding to strengthen the dapple and sooty (and fluffy ) characteristics. So what the heck is this color? I see the sooty on her but the color has me stumped

It looks like Smoky Black Silver color.

[Retsi]

It looks like Smoky Black Silver color.

Something along the lines of this would make sense. Since both parents are Chestnut, the agouti gene also creates black. I get black rarely from two Chestnut parents

[BlackOak2]

I've been breeding sooty/dapple TBs for many many generations now and I've been seeing some unusual coloring expressed, no doubt from inbreeding. I've been line breeding to strengthen the dapple and sooty (and fluffy ) characteristics. So what the heck is this color? I see the sooty on her but the color has me stumped

Flaxen red dun with epic sooty and of course, tiger eye.
I've seen similar to these, the sooty takes the brilliant red coloration out of the chestnuts and turns it rather dusky and muddy.
She shares the same color as both parents. With the stallion having the sole exception of not appearing to have flaxen.

Two chestnuts cannot throw black babies and in fact won't through agouti babies either. Since chestnut is the recessive e/e, it can every only throw e. So two chestnuts are both e/e which means the babies will always be e/e.

But it does create some nice pseudo colors!

[Retsi]

I've been breeding sooty/dapple TBs for many many generations now and I've been seeing some unusual coloring expressed, no doubt from inbreeding. I've been line breeding to strengthen the dapple and sooty (and fluffy ) characteristics. So what the heck is this color? I see the sooty on her but the color has me stumped

Flaxen red dun with epic sooty and of course, tiger eye.
I've seen similar to these, the sooty takes the brilliant red coloration out of the chestnuts and turns it rather dusky and muddy.
She shares the same color as both parents. With the stallion having the sole exception of not appearing to have flaxen.

Two chestnuts cannot throw black babies and in fact won't through agouti babies either. Since chestnut is the recessive e/e, it can every only throw e. So two chestnuts are both e/e which means the babies will always be e/e.

But it does create some nice pseudo colors!

I wonder why I've gotten black foals from Chestnuts? Thanks for the clarification, she's stunning

[BlackOak2]

Flaxen red dun with epic sooty and of course, tiger eye.
I've seen similar to these, the sooty takes the brilliant red coloration out of the chestnuts and turns it rather dusky and muddy.
She shares the same color as both parents. With the stallion having the sole exception of not appearing to have flaxen.

Two chestnuts cannot throw black babies and in fact won't through agouti babies either. Since chestnut is the recessive e/e, it can every only throw e. So two chestnuts are both e/e which means the babies will always be e/e.

But it does create some nice pseudo colors!

I wonder why I've gotten black foals from Chestnuts? Thanks for the clarification, she's stunning

There's a couple options... that the black foals are in fact pseudo-blacks. I've had chestnuts darken so heavily that they look just like black horses.
Or that one of the 'chestnut' parents was actually a bay or wild bay instead (less likely brown). There are some bays and especially wild bays that I, personally, had them pegged as chestnuts, until the fact that a black nose finally registered in my head. In this case, a bay, wild bay or brown, when paired with a chestnut CAN throw a black foal.
Both of these have happened to me.