[Wanted] Stud for a specific color.

[bluemoon]

I am looking for a stud of This color or one that could produce a foal of this color when bred to a bay mare. I will pay up to 10K for a good stud. preferably a quarter horse but any breed will work!
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[Zodiac]

Thats brown with mealy Have a look in the Stallions for stud under the market tab and search for the colour!

[Malakai10]

That's either mealy brown or smoky brown. You'll have a difficult time getting it - seal brown is recessive to bay/wild bay, at least in real life. If the game does follow real life genetics (which I am fairly sure it does, otherwise I wouldn't be overrun with greys) then, if your mare is homozygous bay/wild bay, you have absolutely no chance of her producing a foal of that colour. If she's a heterozygous bay/wild bay she has a chance of producing one like that. At best, either a 25% chance if you don't count in possible recessive genes showing up.

[Malakai10]

These okes might work:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/179790
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/118235
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/46445
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/31017
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/135857
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/255214

[nyraeia]

That's either mealy brown or smoky brown.

It's a smoky brown.
And yeah, Malakai is right. It's gonna be difficult. It all depends on your mare.
Are you talking about this mare?


She has lots of bays in her pedigree, so it's kind of likely that she is homozygous for bay. Your only hope would be that she has only one bay version of the Agouti gene and the other is brown or "nothing" (= black). But, chances are slim.

[bluemoon]

Thank you for your input! I figured my chances were slim when I looked through her pedigree but I figured I would still give it a chance.

[Malakai10]

If you breed her to a smoky brown, then breed her foal to a smoky brown, you'll have a higher chance.

[Malakai10]

I just looked at her pedigree - with her father (I think it was) being a buckskin, there's a chance that, if you breed her to a smoky brown BOTH cream genes will show up and you'll have a perlino on your hands. If you do get a perlino, that is one of your best chances for a smoky brown. Breed a perlino to a normal smoky brown makes it very likely that the foal will only have one cream gene (a whopping 50% chance if you are only calculating the parents genes, (if you breed the perlino to a smoky brown, the foal will be perlino or brown cream, with, again, a 25% chance of being smoky brown.)
Try using this website to calculate it.
http://colorgenetics.info/equine/foal-c ... calculator

[Devolare]

I just looked at her pedigree - with her father (I think it was) being a buckskin, there's a chance that, if you breed her to a smoky brown BOTH cream genes will show up and you'll have a perlino on your hands. If you do get a perlino, that is one of your best chances for a smoky brown. Breed a perlino to a normal smoky brown makes it very likely that the foal will only have one cream gene (a whopping 50% chance if you are only calculating the parents genes, (if you breed the perlino to a smoky brown, the foal will be perlino or brown cream, with, again, a 25% chance of being smoky brown.)
Try using this website to calculate it.
http://colorgenetics.info/equine/foal-c ... calculator

I think you might be slightly confused. Or at the very least, I am. x'D

The original mare is a bay... She doesn't carry the cream gene from her father, otherwise she'd be a Buckskin. Therefore, she can't have a double cream baby (ie. a Perlino).

Also, under the assumption that she could have a Perlino baby, in this sort of scenario you shouldn't really breed it to a smoky brown, anyway.
If we're thinking that the Perlino has at least one At gene (since it's parent is a Smoky Brown and passed on an At gene), then I would just breed them to a regular brown horse or even black (At/At, At/a, or a/a), not a smoky brown. All the foals will have a single cream gene this way, and there would be a good chance of getting brown.
If we're thinking that the Perlino does not have at least one At gene (since it's parent is a Smoky Brown and passed on an a gene), then I would just breed it to a brown horse (At/At or At/a). Same reasoning as before applies. If you add in that extra cream, you start running into the risk of having double creams instead of single creams.

I'm also pinging nyraeia, to fact check me on this. Making sure I didn't say anything wrong or miss something.

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[nyraeia]

I'm also pinging nyraeia, to fact check me on this. Making sure I didn't say anything wrong or miss something.

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The original mare is a bay... She doesn't carry the cream gene from her father, otherwise she'd be a Buckskin. Therefore, she can't have a double cream baby (ie. a Perlino).

Correct.

If you do get a perlino, that is one of your best chances for a smoky brown. Breed a perlino to a normal smoky brown makes it very likely that the foal will only have one cream gene (a whopping 50% chance if you are only calculating the parents genes, (if you breed the perlino to a smoky brown, the foal will be perlino or brown cream, with, again, a 25% chance of being smoky brown.)

It's irrelevant if you use a Perlino + Smoky Brown or just Bay + Smoky Brown.
Perlino is CrCr.
Smoky Brown is Crcr.
So you get following combos: CrCr, Crcr -> 50% for each
CrCr will be double Cream, Crcr will be single Cream.

If you use a bay (crcr) instead:
Crcr, crcr -> 50% each
So same possibility.

Also, under the assumption that she could have a Perlino baby, in this sort of scenario you shouldn't really breed it to a smoky brown, anyway.
If we're thinking that the Perlino has at least one At gene (since it's parent is a Smoky Brown and passed on an At gene), then I would just breed them to a regular brown horse or even black (At/At, At/a, or a/a), not a smoky brown. All the foals will have a single cream gene this way, and there would be a good chance of getting brown.
If we're thinking that the Perlino does not have at least one At gene (since it's parent is a Smoky Brown and passed on an a gene), then I would just breed it to a brown horse (At/At or At/a). Same reasoning as before applies. If you add in that extra cream, you start running into the risk of having double creams instead of single creams.

I think you're correct on this also but it doesn't really matter as you're not getting a double Cream from a bay mare, ever.