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Keeping a directory of breeders working on the same goal is also helpful.
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Each breed may have only one topic. The first post in the topic is to be informative. It should help explain the breed, and breeding goals; advice on how to select mares and stallions; and links to ideal Stallions available for breeding.
Keeping a directory of breeders working on the same goal is also helpful.
All new threads must be approved.
Recreating the Nez Percé Horse
Goal: To recreate Nez Perce Horses for HWO according to the historic breed standards.
The Nez Percé Horse, for centuries, was the pride and joy of the Nez Percé tribe. They were a graceful and athletic breed, descended by generations of selectively breeding appaloosa-type horses to create a leaner, faster, and more enduring horse. They sported light bodies with heart and lungs made for long rides. They were somewhat independently minded and featured a unique fast-walk gait. In the 19th Century, tragedy struck when the Nez Percé Horse was wiped out by war. Along with it, longstanding tribe horsemanship traditions and generations of breeding were lost. But in 1995, The Nez Percé Horse Registry was established and the old-time horses are starting to make their return.
Now, it's time for the Nez Percé Horse to make it's emergence on Horse World Online!
How can we achieve this?
Today's Nez Perce Horse is "based on cross-breeding the old-line Appaloosa horses (the Wallowa herd) with an ancient Central Asian breed called Akhal-Teke" (according to Wikipedia). Click here to view RL example horse -->https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 234070.jpg
First Generation Nez Percé accepted at 50% Akhal Teke and 50% Appaloosa. Subsequent generations will be accepted as long as they are no more than 88% Akhal Teke or Appaloosa. So, for example, an "Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [75%]" would be acceptable, but not an "Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [92%]".
What traits should we strive for?
**Breed standard guidelines are adapted for HWO directly from the official breed registry.
Nez Percé Horses should have superb stamina, agility, balance, tempo. They typically sport a buckskin or palomino coat with Appaloosa characteristics—mottled skin with a spotted coat or a blanket---but they can carry any color of the ancestors. Stallions need to stand at least 14.2hh and mares a minimum of 14hh. Max height is 16.2hh. Build should be Light to Medium with a body size of 5% - 29% and type of 88% - 67%. For advanced conformation breeders, these horses should have a longer back than Quarter Horses, have a narrow shouldes/hindquarters, and maintain a lean body shape.
What competitions should they excel in?
Endurance racing, cross-country, and jumping (in-hand or show). More may be added or current may be changed by public suggestion.
New Breeder?
I suggest starting by buying or breeding your founding horses. You can start your stock from an Akhal Teke and Appaloosa pair, or you can focus on breeding suitable founder horses of either breed (keeping mares to later find market studs for of the other breed). You want your base horses to be purebreds. Remember that 1st generation Nez Percé need to be 50% Akhal Teke and 50% Appaloosa. Following generations can have a smaller percentage of either breed, but cannot have more than 88% Appaloosa or Akhal Teke. It helps to buy a breed book for both Akhal Teke and Appaloosa to see where your base pair falls; They should ideally both have 5-stars for their breed. Refer to list of ideal stallions at stud for ideas.
List of Ideal Akhal Teke Stallions:
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown - $900 breed with Appaloosa of 14.3hh+ height
ER's Syren - $900
ER's Far Cry - $900
List of Ideal Appaloosa Stallions:
Look for visible spots.
ST Forever A Prince - $850
♥♛♥ Follow the Fire - $500
Chippendale - $450
Some Appaloosas for more color diversity (to be bred to tall standing Akhal Tekes to reach height requirement):
QHF Gorgeous Far Hísemtuks - $500
QHF Wild Eye Pete - $500
QHF Hades Pallamir's Háma - $500
Directory of Breedes!
This will continue to develop as the HWO Nez Percé breeding community grows. If you would like to join the breeding efforts, please post below or pm me.
Prospects may become registered at 2 yrs old and must be evaluated as 5/5 Nez Percé in Gen[1+]. Subsequent generations are accepted at lower evaluations as long as they do not have more than 88% Appaloosa or Akhal Teke blood (as per the RL official breed standard of no more than 7/8ths either).
ஆ Ta'c t'ot - $800
The Nez Percé Horse, for centuries, was the pride and joy of the Nez Percé tribe. They were a graceful and athletic breed, descended by generations of selectively breeding appaloosa-type horses to create a leaner, faster, and more enduring horse. They sported light bodies with heart and lungs made for long rides. They were somewhat independently minded and featured a unique fast-walk gait. In the 19th Century, tragedy struck when the Nez Percé Horse was wiped out by war. Along with it, longstanding tribe horsemanship traditions and generations of breeding were lost. But in 1995, The Nez Percé Horse Registry was established and the old-time horses are starting to make their return.
Now, it's time for the Nez Percé Horse to make it's emergence on Horse World Online!
How can we achieve this?
Today's Nez Perce Horse is "based on cross-breeding the old-line Appaloosa horses (the Wallowa herd) with an ancient Central Asian breed called Akhal-Teke" (according to Wikipedia). Click here to view RL example horse -->https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 234070.jpg
First Generation Nez Percé accepted at 50% Akhal Teke and 50% Appaloosa. Subsequent generations will be accepted as long as they are no more than 88% Akhal Teke or Appaloosa. So, for example, an "Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [75%]" would be acceptable, but not an "Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [92%]".
What traits should we strive for?
**Breed standard guidelines are adapted for HWO directly from the official breed registry.
Nez Percé Horses should have superb stamina, agility, balance, tempo. They typically sport a buckskin or palomino coat with Appaloosa characteristics—mottled skin with a spotted coat or a blanket---but they can carry any color of the ancestors. Stallions need to stand at least 14.2hh and mares a minimum of 14hh. Max height is 16.2hh. Build should be Light to Medium with a body size of 5% - 29% and type of 88% - 67%. For advanced conformation breeders, these horses should have a longer back than Quarter Horses, have a narrow shouldes/hindquarters, and maintain a lean body shape.
What competitions should they excel in?
Endurance racing, cross-country, and jumping (in-hand or show). More may be added or current may be changed by public suggestion.
New Breeder?
I suggest starting by buying or breeding your founding horses. You can start your stock from an Akhal Teke and Appaloosa pair, or you can focus on breeding suitable founder horses of either breed (keeping mares to later find market studs for of the other breed). You want your base horses to be purebreds. Remember that 1st generation Nez Percé need to be 50% Akhal Teke and 50% Appaloosa. Following generations can have a smaller percentage of either breed, but cannot have more than 88% Appaloosa or Akhal Teke. It helps to buy a breed book for both Akhal Teke and Appaloosa to see where your base pair falls; They should ideally both have 5-stars for their breed. Refer to list of ideal stallions at stud for ideas.
List of Ideal Akhal Teke Stallions:
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown - $900 breed with Appaloosa of 14.3hh+ height
ER's Syren - $900
ER's Far Cry - $900
List of Ideal Appaloosa Stallions:
Look for visible spots.
ST Forever A Prince - $850
♥♛♥ Follow the Fire - $500
Chippendale - $450
Some Appaloosas for more color diversity (to be bred to tall standing Akhal Tekes to reach height requirement):
QHF Gorgeous Far Hísemtuks - $500
QHF Wild Eye Pete - $500
QHF Hades Pallamir's Háma - $500
Directory of Breedes!
This will continue to develop as the HWO Nez Percé breeding community grows. If you would like to join the breeding efforts, please post below or pm me.
- Sisenna
http://www.horseworldonline.net/forum/m ... ile&u=1751 - QuesthavenFarms
http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/view/5350
Prospects may become registered at 2 yrs old and must be evaluated as 5/5 Nez Percé in Gen[1+]. Subsequent generations are accepted at lower evaluations as long as they do not have more than 88% Appaloosa or Akhal Teke blood (as per the RL official breed standard of no more than 7/8ths either).
ஆ Ta'c t'ot - $800
Last edited by Revv on Tue May 24, 2016 12:28 am, edited 11 times in total.
First Nez Percé Prospect - Male
1st Generation Nez Percé horse, born to Arcana Stables:
Name: ஆ Ta'c t'o t
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 5/5 - 16.0hh
Color: buckskin, visible speckles
Stat note: =str / =spe / +sta / =mov / +tem / +bal / +agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for good speedy, well-moving mate.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340008
Name: ஆ Ta'c t'o t
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 5/5 - 16.0hh
Color: buckskin, visible speckles
Stat note: =str / =spe / +sta / =mov / +tem / +bal / +agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for good speedy, well-moving mate.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340008
Last edited by Revv on Sat May 07, 2016 4:17 am, edited 3 times in total.
4th Trait Debate?
Do you think the 4th trait highlighted by Nez Percé should be movement, or changed to strength or tempo?
These horses were known for their jumping ability, as much as their endurance, but they also had a unique fast walk gait. The walk could be translated into either movement or tempo. However, without emphasizing strength in breeding, jumping competitions may be difficult without targeted training (especially since the lightweight Akhal Teke roots generally do not possess good "strength" genes).
**I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this before updating the goals sheet.
These horses were known for their jumping ability, as much as their endurance, but they also had a unique fast walk gait. The walk could be translated into either movement or tempo. However, without emphasizing strength in breeding, jumping competitions may be difficult without targeted training (especially since the lightweight Akhal Teke roots generally do not possess good "strength" genes).
**I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this before updating the goals sheet.
2nd Nez Percé Prospect - Male
1st Generation Nez Percé horse, born to Arcana Stables:
Name: ஆ Ta'c 'acqa
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 3/5 - very light build, 93% horse type.
Color: buckskin, carrying spot genes
Stat note: =str / +spe / =sta / mov / =tem / =bal / +agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for well-moving mate with good stamina.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340531
Name: ஆ Ta'c 'acqa
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 3/5 - very light build, 93% horse type.
Color: buckskin, carrying spot genes
Stat note: =str / +spe / =sta / mov / =tem / =bal / +agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for well-moving mate with good stamina.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340531
Last edited by Revv on Sat May 07, 2016 4:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Recreating the Nez Percé Horse
First things first, Nez Perce horses are awesome so I'd love to join in breeding them in-game!Revv wrote:Do you think the 4th trait highlighted by Nez Percé should be movement, or changed to strength or tempo?
As for the stats, what if it were something like this:
stamina, agility, balance, tempo
According to the types of sports the Nez Perce excel at and what the the stats actually translate into for the horse, I feel this may be more realistic than adding strength - I don't believe Nez Perce are really considered among the very strong horse breeds (like drafts). The sports I'm using to determine these stats is endurance racing, cross country (they have been rated on other games as talented at cross country and I think it makes sense), and show jumping.Here are the break down of those sports according to larissa's discipline summary:
Endurance: Stamina, Speed, Agility, Tempo
Cross Country Stamina, Strength, Agility, Balance
Show Jumping: Balance, Strength, Agility, Speed
With this they match three stats for endurance and cross country, and two stats for show jumping. Even though I would think those make good primaries to aim for, I would strive for good speed and at least average strength as well. Since Intelligence is separate from the physical stats, it wouldn't do any harm to breed that into the lines either.
Anyway, that's just my personal view for stats, I'd love to hear your opinion and maybe open up more discussion on the matter!
Re: Recreating the Nez Percé Horse
Sisenna,
You are welcome to start breeding Nez Perce! You'd be the first official breeding partner.
I have three Nez Perce horses in my "Recruitment" pasture. I think what would be best is for your first Nez Perce crop to have completely different pedigrees. That way we can offer breeding services to each other. What do you think? I'm currently focusing on getting visible spots in the gene pool. Let me know if you need any help.
When you breed your first Nez Perce, post it here for registry in a similar format to the posts above (adding comments as necessary). Helps us track our horses in this breeding community.
Thank you so much for the thoughtful evaluation. I really like your approach to deciding how Nez Perce traits in real life (and other games) could translate into HWO. Strength is definitely hard to breed for between the lightweight Akhal Teke. With your four suggestions, it covers 3/4 endurance traits, 3/4 cross country traits, and 2/4 show jumping traits. I considered speed as an alternative to balance, as it would cover all 4 bases for the ultimate endurance horses, but I think it's better and more historically accurate to have balance as Nez Perces were more known for long distance travel and jumping/navigating through rough terrain.
So thank you!! I'll update the main post with stamina, agility, balance, tempo as the new breeding goal traits for now. If you have other thoughts, or if anyone else reading this has a different opinion I am always open to adjusting the stats. We may find some are easier to achieve in the breed than others at the start, but it's always fun to have a genetic challenge. The Nez Perce tribes challenged themselves over generations to shape the perfect breed for their lifestyle afterall. And what an phenomenal horse they made! ^^
You are welcome to start breeding Nez Perce! You'd be the first official breeding partner.
I have three Nez Perce horses in my "Recruitment" pasture. I think what would be best is for your first Nez Perce crop to have completely different pedigrees. That way we can offer breeding services to each other. What do you think? I'm currently focusing on getting visible spots in the gene pool. Let me know if you need any help.When you breed your first Nez Perce, post it here for registry in a similar format to the posts above (adding comments as necessary). Helps us track our horses in this breeding community.
Thank you so much for the thoughtful evaluation. I really like your approach to deciding how Nez Perce traits in real life (and other games) could translate into HWO. Strength is definitely hard to breed for between the lightweight Akhal Teke. With your four suggestions, it covers 3/4 endurance traits, 3/4 cross country traits, and 2/4 show jumping traits. I considered speed as an alternative to balance, as it would cover all 4 bases for the ultimate endurance horses, but I think it's better and more historically accurate to have balance as Nez Perces were more known for long distance travel and jumping/navigating through rough terrain.
So thank you!! I'll update the main post with stamina, agility, balance, tempo as the new breeding goal traits for now. If you have other thoughts, or if anyone else reading this has a different opinion I am always open to adjusting the stats. We may find some are easier to achieve in the breed than others at the start, but it's always fun to have a genetic challenge. The Nez Perce tribes challenged themselves over generations to shape the perfect breed for their lifestyle afterall. And what an phenomenal horse they made! ^^
3rd Nez Percé Prospect - Female
[1+] Generation Nez Percé horse, born to Arcana Stables:
Name: ஆ Pik'e tilípe'
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 5/5
Color: silver wild bay, carrying spot genes
Stat note: -str / =spe / sta / -mov / =tem / +bal / =agi / +int
No reds; looking for agile and enduring mate.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340985
Name: ஆ Pik'e tilípe'
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 5/5
Color: silver wild bay, carrying spot genes
Stat note: -str / =spe / sta / -mov / =tem / +bal / =agi / +int
No reds; looking for agile and enduring mate.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/340985
Re: Recreating the Nez Percé Horse
I have three Akhal-Teke stallions I can put up for stud if you want to.
ER's Far Cry
ER's Syren
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown is already up.
Also, I would love to pick up arabian x turkmene crosses you end up with (without the leopard complex colours...). I need them to bred Kathiawaris. But I have a habit of ending up with a ton of Akhal-tekes, all of them are to good to rehome too while my arabian x turkmene crosses often are rather bad
I would actually like having my own Nez Percé horses, but I think I might get irritated at them being just "crosses" in the game. But it would give me a use for my akhal-tekes and have a change to start playing around with the appaloosa patterns.
ER's Far Cry
ER's Syren
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown is already up.
Also, I would love to pick up arabian x turkmene crosses you end up with (without the leopard complex colours...). I need them to bred Kathiawaris. But I have a habit of ending up with a ton of Akhal-tekes, all of them are to good to rehome too while my arabian x turkmene crosses often are rather bad
I would actually like having my own Nez Percé horses, but I think I might get irritated at them being just "crosses" in the game. But it would give me a use for my akhal-tekes and have a change to start playing around with the appaloosa patterns.
Re: TheSpottedCat's Stud Offerings
Greetings TheSpottedCat!
What colorful Akhal Tekes you have. Great that they are all 5/5 on the breed eval. I have assessed each stallion on how well I think they might contribute to the Nez Perce breeding goals:
ER's Far Cry - = stamina, + tempo, = balance, + agility / dilute genes / 16.0hh
ER's Syren - + stamina, + tempo, = balance, + agility / dappling / 15.0hh
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown - + stamina, +tempo, + balance, +agility / flaxen genes / 14.0hh
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown would be my top pick for breeding even though he is below 14.2hh. ER's Far Cry would be excellent to bring in dilute genes to our pool. I have a couple Akhal Teke mares I'd like to breed to both of them. And ER's Syren would bring in well-rounded traits. Let me know which one(s) you'd like to offer for stud, and for how much, and I'll post them in the listing above. I'll post ER's Traitor To Thy Crown now.
**Sisenna, maybe you'd like to take advantage of this offer to start your stock?
I totally understand about the annoyance with Nez Perce's being "just crosses" in the game, for now at least. I hope to send in a proposal to get them registered officially in game as a new breed. I don't see why they can't be on HWO, as they even have extinct breeds on here. The spot genes are really fun to play with, and are becoming quite apparent in some heavier crosses. The challenge is getting them in light weight purebred lines.
For your Kathiawaris (one of my favorite breeds by the way), what type of Arabian x Turkmene crosses do you need? Any particular title or percentages? I usually just end up with Akhal Tekes too, but I'd be happy to sell you any differential crosses. Additionally, if you ever have any Akhal Tekes you want to sell, but not rehome, I'd be interested to consider buying.
What colorful Akhal Tekes you have. Great that they are all 5/5 on the breed eval. I have assessed each stallion on how well I think they might contribute to the Nez Perce breeding goals:
ER's Far Cry - = stamina, + tempo, = balance, + agility / dilute genes / 16.0hh
ER's Syren - + stamina, + tempo, = balance, + agility / dappling / 15.0hh
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown - + stamina, +tempo, + balance, +agility / flaxen genes / 14.0hh
ER's Traitor To Thy Crown would be my top pick for breeding even though he is below 14.2hh. ER's Far Cry would be excellent to bring in dilute genes to our pool. I have a couple Akhal Teke mares I'd like to breed to both of them. And ER's Syren would bring in well-rounded traits. Let me know which one(s) you'd like to offer for stud, and for how much, and I'll post them in the listing above.
I'll post ER's Traitor To Thy Crown now. **Sisenna, maybe you'd like to take advantage of this offer to start your stock?
I totally understand about the annoyance with Nez Perce's being "just crosses" in the game, for now at least. I hope to send in a proposal to get them registered officially in game as a new breed. I don't see why they can't be on HWO, as they even have extinct breeds on here. The spot genes are really fun to play with, and are becoming quite apparent in some heavier crosses. The challenge is getting them in light weight purebred lines.
For your Kathiawaris (one of my favorite breeds by the way), what type of Arabian x Turkmene crosses do you need? Any particular title or percentages? I usually just end up with Akhal Tekes too, but I'd be happy to sell you any differential crosses. Additionally, if you ever have any Akhal Tekes you want to sell, but not rehome, I'd be interested to consider buying.
4th Nez Percé Prospect - Female WITH SPOTS
[1+] Generation Nez Percé horse, born to Arcana Stables:
ஆ Dreamcatcher
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 3/5 - 58% horse type
Color: dilute chestnut with BLANKET, rabicano tail, and blue eye
Stat note: -str / =spe / +sta / -mov / +tem / =bal / =agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for well balanced and agile mate.
ஆ Dreamcatcher
Breed: Nez Percé (Akhal Teke x Appaloosa [50%])
Evaluation: 3/5 - 58% horse type
Color: dilute chestnut with BLANKET, rabicano tail, and blue eye
Stat note: -str / =spe / +sta / -mov / +tem / =bal / =agi / ++int
Green intelligence; looking for well balanced and agile mate.