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What I did was I bought a trained horse, champed it in 3 disciplines, and sold it.
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Skyler Brooks wrote:...
To be honest, I really don't like it in certain situations. It is irritating to me when I breed a high-quality horse, sell it to a newer player for a very low price to help them out, and then they go immediately and resell it for millions. Oftentimes they also age the horse so that it messes with the temperament (to bombproof) and weight (to either poor or very fat), so I guess it just frustrates me because I put a lot of work into my horses. However, if you are champing the horse and actually putting some work in, I don't think I'd mind too much.
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Skyler Brooks wrote:What I did was I bought a trained horse, champed it in 3 disciplines, and sold it.
I would be okay with that. :) I guess I am just very opposed to "flipping" horses, although I know that there is nothing I can do to stop it.
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Absolutely fine, in my opinion. Buy for market rate, put some work in, sell for a profit.
If it had been a private deal, that would have different
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So you can buy a trained horse for let's say 100k, and then just sell it for 2 million? Because someone bought a horse I champed in 3 disciplines, aged it a bit, and now has him up for offers again :?
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Skyler Brooks wrote:I have a question because I don't want to make anyone mad: is it reasonable to buy a fully trained horse, champ it, and then sell it for more than you originally bought it for? I was about to do this but then I realized that it could annoy someone or make them very angry. Thanks!
It is as the other have already said.
There is nothing wrong with 'flipping' a horse, which is purchase then resale at a higher price, without changing the horse in any way during ownership. We have had a couple community members in the past that did flip horses. There was a short term issue because not everybody realized that's what was happening, but once understanding on a 'flipping' sale came to light, then things settled back down.

You are not, by definition, flipping a horse. You are actually changing the horse during the time you own it. In this case, you are 'purchasing to comp' a horse (comp=compete).
This is a reasonable and logical mode of earning money and offering a service to the community at the same time.
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Well, they took the horse down now.
Skyler Brooks wrote:So you can buy a trained horse for let's say 100k, and then just sell it for 2 million? Because someone bought a horse I champed in 3 disciplines, aged it a bit, and now has him up for offers again :?
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It is as the other have already said.
There is nothing wrong with 'flipping' a horse, which is purchase then resale at a higher price, without changing the horse in any way during ownership. We have had a couple community members in the past that did flip horses. There was a short term issue because not everybody realized that's what was happening, but once understanding on a 'flipping' sale came to light, then things settled back down.

You are not, by definition, flipping a horse. You are actually changing the horse during the time you own it. In this case, you are 'purchasing to comp' a horse (comp=compete).
This is a reasonable and logical mode of earning money and offering a service to the community at the same time.
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Skyler Brooks wrote:...
Yep, just happened to me too. I sold a trained mare for 100k and she just sold for 5 million at 19 years old and very fat. :cry:
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Wow. Well, my horse wasn't sold, he was put up for offers and I offered $1 on him three times and the person took him down. Still, the thought of someone buying a horse you worked hard on and then making them worse and selling them for more than they bought it for doesn't sit well for me.
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Skyler Brooks wrote:...
Yep, just happened to me too. I sold a trained mare for 100k and she just sold for 5 million at 19 years old and very fat. :cry:
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Skyler Brooks wrote:So you can buy a trained horse for let's say 100k, and then just sell it for 2 million? Because someone bought a horse I champed in 3 disciplines, aged it a bit, and now has him up for offers again :?
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It is as the other have already said.
There is nothing wrong with 'flipping' a horse, which is purchase then resale at a higher price, without changing the horse in any way during ownership. We have had a couple community members in the past that did flip horses. There was a short term issue because not everybody realized that's what was happening, but once understanding on a 'flipping' sale came to light, then things settled back down.

You are not, by definition, flipping a horse. You are actually changing the horse during the time you own it. In this case, you are 'purchasing to comp' a horse (comp=compete).
This is a reasonable and logical mode of earning money and offering a service to the community at the same time.
It could've been a transfer, or a search benefit (so we can search for our horse's easier through the market, but because offers only for non-upgraded only allows two at a time, by applying a huge buyout, it discourages purchasers), along with a couple other options.
But yes, flipping a horse isn't against the rules on HWO. If you find that it's happening to your stock, then change what you're doing, either by applying offers only or by increasing your immediate purchase.
Keep note of that player if it continues to be the same one and consider blacklisting them from you services, which you DO have the right on this game to do.
But once a horse is sold, it belongs to the new owner.
Flippers, if they're not careful, can get themselves into a bit of community issues, such as wide-spread blacklisting which as you know, can but won't necessarily limit their gameplay. I usually suggest to anybody that wants to by definition 'Flip' a horse, that they do so with full disclosure so that the owners understand that the Flip is because of the speed in which a horse can exit their facility.
Thus, if a horse NEEDS to be drop-sold (as in sold immediately), it can be, with the understanding that the horse will be reapplied at sale with no changes for a higher price.
Flippers CAN have a position and a use in our community, IF it's done correctly and can be well liked and utilized.
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Jockey wrote:
Skyler Brooks wrote:...
Yep, just happened to me too. I sold a trained mare for 100k and she just sold for 5 million at 19 years old and very fat. :cry:
It is possible that this transaction was a money transfer as well as a freezing transfer for the horse and the account.
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Re: Is this reasonable?

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I know it's allowed and I'm not going to do anything, I don't care that much, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like it.
BlackOak2 wrote:
Skyler Brooks wrote:So you can buy a trained horse for let's say 100k, and then just sell it for 2 million? Because someone bought a horse I champed in 3 disciplines, aged it a bit, and now has him up for offers again :?
It could've been a transfer, or a search benefit (so we can search for our horse's easier through the market, but because offers only for non-upgraded only allows two at a time, by applying a huge buyout, it discourages purchasers), along with a couple other options.
But yes, flipping a horse isn't against the rules on HWO. If you find that it's happening to your stock, then change what you're doing, either by applying offers only or by increasing your immediate purchase.
Keep note of that player if it continues to be the same one and consider blacklisting them from you services, which you DO have the right on this game to do.
But once a horse is sold, it belongs to the new owner.
Flippers, if they're not careful, can get themselves into a bit of community issues, such as wide-spread blacklisting which as you know, can but won't necessarily limit their gameplay. I usually suggest to anybody that wants to by definition 'Flip' a horse, that they do so with full disclosure so that the owners understand that the Flip is because of the speed in which a horse can exit their facility.
Thus, if a horse NEEDS to be drop-sold (as in sold immediately), it can be, with the understanding that the horse will be reapplied at sale with no changes for a higher price.
Flippers CAN have a position and a use in our community, IF it's done correctly and can be well liked and utilized.
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