Question about discipline evaluation

[askeek]

Hey guys!

I've been using Silverine's google sheet for discipline evaluation and absolutely love it. I just have a question about how the BR and CP count towards this evaluation. I noticed that for almost all my horses, as soon as I input their intelligence BR score, it immediately switches to western pleasure as their best total score. I then noticed that intelligence stats are counted for CP as well and was wondering why that was. Is there a thread somewhere that explains this?

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[askeek]

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[BlackOak2]

Hey guys!

I've been using Silverine's google sheet for discipline evaluation and absolutely love it. I just have a question about how the BR and CP count towards this evaluation. I noticed that for almost all my horses, as soon as I input their intelligence BR score, it immediately switches to western pleasure as their best total score. I then noticed that intelligence stats are counted for CP as well and was wondering why that was. Is there a thread somewhere that explains this?

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I can't really answer why the sheet is written the way it is. But what I can say is that conformation scores are NOT affected by intelligence. However, Breeder's Report is.
What I CAN say about Silverine's sheet is that it does appear to be fairly accurate at evaluating the best potential discipline. This is based on many different players using many different types of horses and many different scorings being plugged into that sheet and a high percentage of them are rather accurate. Though a horse might not do well in a certain category that the sheet explains it might, there also generally appears a much worse performance in the others as well.

If you think there is something not quite right about the sheet, see if you can pin it down. Silverine can correct it if you can prove there is a deficiency somewhere.
I can also say that the competitions that require intelligence are: Cutting, In-Hand Jumping, Marathon Driving, Pole Bending, Saddleseat, Western Pleasure, Western Trail, Working Ranch.
And of those, only in-hand, western pleasure and working ranch use intelligence as the number one stat (cutting uses it second). So seeing the switch from english disciplines to western when you plug in intelligence isn't necessarily surprising.
But again, if you can pin down something that isn't right, Silverine can correct it.

[askeek]

Hey guys!

I've been using Silverine's google sheet for discipline evaluation and absolutely love it. I just have a question about how the BR and CP count towards this evaluation. I noticed that for almost all my horses, as soon as I input their intelligence BR score, it immediately switches to western pleasure as their best total score. I then noticed that intelligence stats are counted for CP as well and was wondering why that was. Is there a thread somewhere that explains this?

It appears Silverine might not be signing on right now.

I can't really answer why the sheet is written the way it is. But what I can say is that conformation scores are NOT affected by intelligence. However, Breeder's Report is.
What I CAN say about Silverine's sheet is that it does appear to be fairly accurate at evaluating the best potential discipline. This is based on many different players using many different types of horses and many different scorings being plugged into that sheet and a high percentage of them are rather accurate. Though a horse might not do well in a certain category that the sheet explains it might, there also generally appears a much worse performance in the others as well.

If you think there is something not quite right about the sheet, see if you can pin it down. Silverine can correct it if you can prove there is a deficiency somewhere.
I can also say that the competitions that require intelligence are: Cutting, In-Hand Jumping, Marathon Driving, Pole Bending, Saddleseat, Western Pleasure, Western Trail, Working Ranch.
And of those, only in-hand, western pleasure and working ranch use intelligence as the number one stat (cutting uses it second). So seeing the switch from english disciplines to western when you plug in intelligence isn't necessarily surprising.
But again, if you can pin down something that isn't right, Silverine can correct it.

Thanks for the info! I've been trying to breed dressage horses and the sheet shows it as their #1 until intelligence is inputted. I'm trying to figure out if this is an issue with the sheet or if my Arabians are too smart for dressage They do pretty well regardless but at this point, I'm too invested in the sheet to quit haha

As for the sheet, the following disciplines confo potentials are effected by intelligence (all other fields are blank):
- Cutting
- In-hand jumping
- Marathon driving
- Pole bending
- Saddleseat
- Western pleasure
- Western trail
- Working ranch

From looking at the formulas it almost looks like the total potential is counting intelligence twice. I'm going to take a look and see if I can fiddle around with it a bit but hopefully Silverine will have the answers haha

[Silverine]

Hey guys!

I've been using Silverine's google sheet for discipline evaluation and absolutely love it. I just have a question about how the BR and CP count towards this evaluation. I noticed that for almost all my horses, as soon as I input their intelligence BR score, it immediately switches to western pleasure as their best total score. I then noticed that intelligence stats are counted for CP as well and was wondering why that was. Is there a thread somewhere that explains this?

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Sorry for the late reply. Virus has really been affecting my schedule recently.

Intelligence is not affected by conformation, so a really good intelligence BR score can't be dragged down by a really low confo score, unlike the other stats. So if a discipline evaluates heavily on intelligence (like western pleasure) and you have a really high intelligence comment then that will most likely be your highest eval discipline. (This is part of the reason why I separated out both first and second-best score.) This can be mitigated somewhat by having a stat that has both a very high BR and a very high confo. Total potential does count intelligence twice - once for the BR evaluation and again for the confo. Because confo doesn't affect intelligence I had to factor in the BR report number instead.

Edit: Also, just because a horse evaluates best in one discipline, doesn't mean it won't do well in another.

[askeek]

Hey guys!

I've been using Silverine's google sheet for discipline evaluation and absolutely love it. I just have a question about how the BR and CP count towards this evaluation. I noticed that for almost all my horses, as soon as I input their intelligence BR score, it immediately switches to western pleasure as their best total score. I then noticed that intelligence stats are counted for CP as well and was wondering why that was. Is there a thread somewhere that explains this?

Sorry for the late reply. Virus has really been affecting my schedule recently.

Intelligence is not affected by conformation, so a really good intelligence BR score can't be dragged down by a really low confo score, unlike the other stats. So if a discipline evaluates heavily on intelligence (like western pleasure) and you have a really high intelligence comment then that will most likely be your highest eval discipline. (This is part of the reason why I separated out both first and second-best score.) This can be mitigated somewhat by having a stat that has both a very high BR and a very high confo. Total potential does count intelligence twice - once for the BR evaluation and again for the confo. Because confo doesn't affect intelligence I had to factor in the BR report number instead.

Edit: Also, just because a horse evaluates best in one discipline, doesn't mean it won't do well in another.

Thanks for the response! I hope you're doing okay with the virus.

I think I'll have to start looking at the second-best CP evaluation as the only reason western pleasure is #1 is intelligence. It's interesting to hear how things are evaluated though.

I know horses can do well in other disciplines but at this point, I'm going for dressage #1 out of perfectionism and completion haha

[Silverine]

Thanks for the response! I hope you're doing okay with the virus.

I think I'll have to start looking at the second-best CP evaluation as the only reason western pleasure is #1 is intelligence. It's interesting to hear how things are evaluated though.

I know horses can do well in other disciplines but at this point, I'm going for dressage #1 out of perfectionism and completion haha

You can also just stop inputting their intelligence score, since Dressage doesn't take that into account at all.