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RenegadePegasus wrote:
ST0RM wrote: Ok. Now I am regretting ever visiting the Breeds Wiki :(
:lol: good luck on mikayo pony! Can’t wait to see a little herd of them frolicking around being rare :lol:
8-) :lol: :D I will finish that if it's the last thing I do :twisted:
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RenegadePegasus wrote: :lol: good luck on mikayo pony! Can’t wait to see a little herd of them frolicking around being rare :lol:
8-) :lol: :D I will finish that if it's the last thing I do :twisted:
:lol: competitiveness is quite the motivator.
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RenegadePegasus wrote:
ST0RM wrote: 8-) :lol: :D I will finish that if it's the last thing I do :twisted:
:lol: competitiveness is quite the motivator.
How long will it take me to breed a Mikayo pony? If you get it right (or close) I will give you 1.
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ST0RM wrote:
RenegadePegasus wrote: :lol: competitiveness is quite the motivator.
How long will it take me to breed a Mikayo pony? If you get it right (or close) I will give you 1.
I don’t know, probably a few months.
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ST0RM wrote: How long will it take me to breed a Mikayo pony? If you get it right (or close) I will give you 1.
I don’t know, probably a few months.
Na 8 months
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ST0RM wrote:
RenegadePegasus wrote: I don’t know, probably a few months.
Na 8 months
:lol: you never know
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ST0RM wrote: Na 8 months
:lol: you never know
True, true :geek:
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RenegadePegasus wrote: :lol: you never know
True, true :geek:
It seems you have kind of figured it out. So I'll give you a few short pointers that will either dissuade you from tackling your objective, or give you a new boost to get there.
And as you already know, a breed recipe isn't just throwing the recipe ingredients together and it pops out the new breed (on HWO, that would be Way Too Easy). You need to take into account the requirements of the breed you want to get.
So pony versus horse, height, size and something that is also often overlooked, the genes that the horses have. These genes will offer what the foals will most often have. A great example of this is the arabian breed. As you should have figured out by now, when you breed to an arabian, you almost always get a horse type and one that is relatively light or even very light, even if you cross it to a super heavy, like a very heavy belgian. It's the genes they carry and I tend to call it 'favoring' such as favoring light-weight.
So knowing what the AC breeds also tend to 'favor' will help with understand the type of foal that they'll most like offer.

So you want the mongolian (to start with). It's not the most difficult breed to make, but it is relatively irritating if you're not watching your parent horses.
The mongolian recipe is: [ Przewalski Horse x Tarpan ] x Tarpan
And the mongolian requirements are: 11.3-14 hh; size: 40-60; type: 50-70 Pony

The main problem is that the AC tarpans have a tendency to favor medium light to medium horse. They like to come out about 35-55 size and usually around type 40-50 Horse. As for height, sometimes you'll get one that wants to get really tall, sometimes you'll get one that wants to go shorter, so that's a mixed basket.
As for the przewalski, they don't differ very much from what you already see them as, so they'll willing stay right there just to the pony side of middle, so the prze breed at least won't defeat your purpose for breeding the mongolian.
However, the tarpan will and you have two tarpans in the mongolian recipe. So what you'll have to do, is either find the most 'pony' and the heaviest tarpan you can find from the AC, or breed then a generation or two until they start favoring that middle pony area rather than the middle to light horse area.

Does that give you a bit more insight into the background of creating recipe breeds?

Then after that, even if the foal is dead-to-rights with the recipe, you still have to deal with the flip of the coin for if it will be the new breed or if it won't be. The good thing is, that if the match DOES produce a foal that falls within the req's, that means that one of those foals should eventually pop out as the new breed.

As a last note, often it's much easier and much, MUCH quicker to work with inbreeding to help set your req's in your bloodline in order to achieve the outcome breed.
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BlackOak2 wrote:
ST0RM wrote: True, true :geek:
It seems you have kind of figured it out. So I'll give you a few short pointers that will either dissuade you from tackling your objective, or give you a new boost to get there.
And as you already know, a breed recipe isn't just throwing the recipe ingredients together and it pops out the new breed (on HWO, that would be Way Too Easy). You need to take into account the requirements of the breed you want to get.
So pony versus horse, height, size and something that is also often overlooked, the genes that the horses have. These genes will offer what the foals will most often have. A great example of this is the arabian breed. As you should have figured out by now, when you breed to an arabian, you almost always get a horse type and one that is relatively light or even very light, even if you cross it to a super heavy, like a very heavy belgian. It's the genes they carry and I tend to call it 'favoring' such as favoring light-weight.
So knowing what the AC breeds also tend to 'favor' will help with understand the type of foal that they'll most like offer.

So you want the mongolian (to start with). It's not the most difficult breed to make, but it is relatively irritating if you're not watching your parent horses.
The mongolian recipe is: [ Przewalski Horse x Tarpan ] x Tarpan
And the mongolian requirements are: 11.3-14 hh; size: 40-60; type: 50-70 Pony

The main problem is that the AC tarpans have a tendency to favor medium light to medium horse. They like to come out about 35-55 size and usually around type 40-50 Horse. As for height, sometimes you'll get one that wants to get really tall, sometimes you'll get one that wants to go shorter, so that's a mixed basket.
As for the przewalski, they don't differ very much from what you already see them as, so they'll willing stay right there just to the pony side of middle, so the prze breed at least won't defeat your purpose for breeding the mongolian.
However, the tarpan will and you have two tarpans in the mongolian recipe. So what you'll have to do, is either find the most 'pony' and the heaviest tarpan you can find from the AC, or breed then a generation or two until they start favoring that middle pony area rather than the middle to light horse area.

Does that give you a bit more insight into the background of creating recipe breeds?

Then after that, even if the foal is dead-to-rights with the recipe, you still have to deal with the flip of the coin for if it will be the new breed or if it won't be. The good thing is, that if the match DOES produce a foal that falls within the req's, that means that one of those foals should eventually pop out as the new breed.

As a last note, often it's much easier and much, MUCH quicker to work with inbreeding to help set your req's in your bloodline in order to achieve the outcome breed.
I really don't care about inbreeding. Also what do you think about wanting to breed a Mikayo pony?
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ST0RM wrote: I really don't care about inbreeding. Also what do you think about wanting to breed a Mikayo pony?
From scratch? It will take you a little bit. Some of them shouldn't be too hard, but some will.
You will find some issues with the following breeds along that tree:
Tokara
Hokkaido
***Taishuh (was frustrating from what I remember, though not necessarily difficult)
Yonaguni (but I don't remember why)
Cheju - this one will likely be the most difficult, because it requires the arabian and this breed is a pony-type

Granted, that is MOST of the breeds along the tree. But 'some issues' is from what I remember having irritations with. Your experiences with it might be wholly different, especially since the difference between what I was doing and what you aim to do will be very different. I was questing for each breed independently, you will be breeding specifically for each breed to attain your end breed. When you head for a specific end-goal for a breed, the breeding techniques and each generation are affected. So you might find attaining each breed along that tree much easier as you progress toward your mikayo.
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