Energy Usage

[Argent II]

I buy alot of horses which puts money in the pockets of other players, from the competition winnings of my 'Sub-standard' champion horses. So why can't I enjoy their winnings after I train them to full stats. I don't have the 7-Green horses and don't plan on ever attaining them.
Inbreeding over 15% is what I would call a form of cheating.
The rules of this game do not restrict how anyone wants to play this game.
I have stopped all my $20 entry competitions, deleted all my stud ads, and have stopped entering my horses in competitions. So no more buying other players horses either. I am unsure my next step. I will probably rehome most of my horses, since Arrogant thinks them as inadequate and competitions as meaningless.
I hope that a few players can continue to enjoy playing this game, I did.

What a gross overreaction. And you misspelled my name.

Also, that word doesn't mean what you think it means. Look up the word cheat, namely the definition "to violate rules deliberately, as in a game." HWO literally does not have any rules, so you can't actually cheat. If someone wants to get fussy and accuse someone of "cheating" for playing more effectively and competitively than themselves, that's their own problem. None of what we're discussing even qualifies as "unfair" since everyone is able to do the same things but some just choose not to (and then insist on being exceptionally petty toward those who do).

[Argent II]

I've made a change to the first post, but I'll put it here too so everyone sees it:

This post has stirred up a lot of trouble so I'm going to set the record straight. Nothing posted here was Larissa's plan for HWO and it was never going to happen. We are looking at small changes to discourage immortal horses, but nothing to punish people who like to enter a lot of shows or breed a lot of horses each turn. Please keep in mind look at changes very hard before making them and wouldn't do something that would stop people from enjoying HWO.
Thanks,
Tom

Except Larissa told me herself that she was considering putting in an energy tax for breeding horses because she didn't like immortal stallions. The energy tax for showing my idea, but the the one for breeding was from her.

[Tom]

Your post doesn't contain Larissa's idea for curbing immortal horse breeding, it has your ideas of how things should be. Now you've gone and scared everyone by throwing around numbers like 25% of a horses energy, which is nothing like what was planned.

[Buzzsaw]

Why would anyone keep a breeding stallion immortal? Most people probably wouldn't want to breed to a stallion that has a lot of offspring, and if you kept it for yourself all your stock would end up horribly inbred. I don't see the sense in it, and any way, like people are saying, the horses in the game are improving all the while.
Anyhow, as to the entering shows thing, I like to enter shows all in one lump, usually when I first log in, then I use my turns for training and breeding. I doubt if I enter more than 25 shows, but I don't have many horses, and usually only enter one or two into shows at a time.
And I will really miss Glacier lake's $20 shows.

[Valence]

I've made a change to the first post, but I'll put it here too so everyone sees it:

This post has stirred up a lot of trouble so I'm going to set the record straight. Nothing posted here was Larissa's plan for HWO and it was never going to happen. We are looking at small changes to discourage immortal horses, but nothing to punish people who like to enter a lot of shows or breed a lot of horses each turn. Please keep in mind look at changes very hard before making them and wouldn't do something that would stop people from enjoying HWO.
Thanks,
Tom

Thank you for clearing that up Tom. This kind of communication is one of the things that makes HWO the best online horse game I have ever played.

[Weaving]

I've made a change to the first post, but I'll put it here too so everyone sees it:

This post has stirred up a lot of trouble so I'm going to set the record straight. Nothing posted here was Larissa's plan for HWO and it was never going to happen. We are looking at small changes to discourage immortal horses, but nothing to punish people who like to enter a lot of shows or breed a lot of horses each turn. Please keep in mind look at changes very hard before making them and wouldn't do something that would stop people from enjoying HWO.
Thanks,
Tom

Thank you for clearing that up Tom. This kind of communication is one of the things that makes HWO the best online horse game I have ever played.

Ditto that!

[Randi Potos]

Your post doesn't contain Larissa's idea for curbing immortal horse breeding, it has your ideas of how things should be. Now you've gone and scared everyone by throwing around numbers like 25% of a horses energy, which is nothing like what was planned.

Thank you for the clarification!

[Argent II]

Your post doesn't contain Larissa's idea for curbing immortal horse breeding, it has your ideas of how things should be. Now you've gone and scared everyone by throwing around numbers like 25% of a horses energy, which is nothing like what was planned.

Which is why I prefaced comments with I THINK. I'm sorry people didn't read thoroughly enough to recognize I was throwing out loose figures in a comments and suggestions (and not announcements) forum?

Since boss is adding an energy tax for breeding, I think one should also be added to showing. I don't want to kill the competition side of the game completely, as it is already pretty slow, but I think some tweaking should be done. From what I can see, in real life, competing twice a month is doable for most horses in most disciplines, especially at lower levels, and once a month or less is more the norm at higher levels. IRL, show seasons are moderate in length - maybe six to eight months - and most people cant afford to show more often than once or twice a month, and even if they can, if your goal is moving up the levels, then spacing out shows so you have time to improve inbetween is beneficial. I don't want a hard-fast limit of one-entry-per-turn or anything, but having a base energy cost of like 25% per show - lessened by increased fitness, but increased by higher level of competition -- might be workable.

On the topic of energy usage from breeding, the typical hand-bred Thoroughbred stallions will cover two, perhaps three, mares per day for a total of 15 (JC average) to 70 (Storm Cat average) mares in foal; stallions that breed at pasture can be run with 15 to 35 mares with a 90% conception rate. HWO doesn't have proper breeding seasons, but I think a comfortable breeding rate is about 30 mares per year.... so whatever energy is used for one breeding should be completely regained in one turn for a stallion on a sufficient diet. This energy recover should not be based on fitness, I think. And mares should also have an energy tax on breeding, maybe something around 25%?

[Tom]

I agree, people were jumping to conclusions based on your post. I'm not attacking you, just setting the record straight.

[Electron]

Which is why I prefaced comments with I THINK. I'm sorry people didn't read thoroughly enough to recognize I was throwing out loose figures in a comments and suggestions (and not announcements) forum?

Personally, I did originally understand that this was Argents own personal opinion. However, as the discussion has progressed, the original word choice and some of the phrasing along with the extreme level of passion that she has defended her idea made me wonder if it was more than just her opinion, and if it had been founded in some other ideas (besides the possible slight breeding tax) that had been thrown around in the chat.

Overall, my impression has been that Argent seems to have more of the "inside update scoop"/knowledge of the game/communication with Larissa than the average player, and as such, I do usually attribute more weight to her words/suggestions/opinions than I would to some other people. If I was wrong to do this and unwittingly caused some of the other players to jump to conclusions, then I apologize.