Clarification on Bronzing/Varnishing

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I don't claim to be a colour expert, quite the opposite in fact! However I do enjoy a pretty horse from time to time, which has led me to breed some recently whose colour I have little or no idea on... So could someone correct me when I go wrong.

Varnishing: Looks like roaning? Effects any colour?
Bronzing: Effects black based colours only (so this could effect brown or bay horses too?)

Is this guy an example of bronzing? Maslo

Is this one an example of varnishing? Tebeshir

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Both are varnish.

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Both are varnish.

Thanks for clarification. Is the varnish also what causes the grey colouration in the mane of Maslo and am I correct with the way I described varnish and bronzing before the pictures? Just good to know if I'm getting things right or wrong.

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hey! offering my two cents here if you don't mind.

I agree with argent that neither are bronzed and just varnish roan,
appaloosa bronzing, as far as I know, lightens black based coats to an almost chestnut/bay color, so I don't think it affects the chestnut gene

what I do think it does is dilute black points and a fully black coat to neither red neither black but a bronzed color. so for example here's a real life bronze bay, see how the points on the muzzle and legs aren't black but almost chestnut? another real life one I found is this bronze bay, his black points are brown and lighten to bronze down at his pasterns. as for black horses I can't be certain but I think their entire coat dilutes to bronze and lightens the soft spots even further? if I see any in the sales or farms on HWO that resemble these pictures I'll drop them by you c:

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hey! offering my two cents here if you don't mind.

I agree with argent that neither are bronzed and just varnish roan,
appaloosa bronzing, as far as I know, lightens black based coats to an almost chestnut/bay color, so I don't think it affects the chestnut gene

what I do think it does is dilute black points and a fully black coat to neither red neither black but a bronzed color. so for example here's a real life bronze bay, see how the points on the muzzle and legs aren't black but almost chestnut? another real life one I found is this bronze bay, his black points are brown and lighten to bronze down at his pasterns. as for black horses I can't be certain but I think their entire coat dilutes to bronze and lightens the soft spots even further? if I see any in the sales or farms on HWO that resemble these pictures I'll drop them by you c:

That's brilliant, I think I get it! Thank you ever so much, and if you do find any please do let me know, I think it would clarify even more for me

Thanks again!