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Double Lp varnish?

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So I was looking at one of my young mares and began to wonder.
Usually single vs double Lp horses are rather easy to tell apart - the big spotted single Lp patterns vs tiny dotted double Lp. But what about varnish patterns - where Lp messes up all the colour but you get just a few snowflakes at best? Can this happen with double Lp too?

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This young lady is by a single Lp spotted blanket sire out of single Lp varnish dam. She took after her dam but with a handful of snowflakes. Is she single or double Lp?
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Re: Double Lp varnish?

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Tjigra wrote:So I was looking at one of my young mares and began to wonder.
Usually single vs double Lp horses are rather easy to tell apart - the big spotted single Lp patterns vs tiny dotted double Lp. But what about varnish patterns - where Lp messes up all the colour but you get just a few snowflakes at best? Can this happen with double Lp too?

This young lady is by a single Lp spotted blanket sire out of single Lp varnish dam. She took after her dam but with a handful of snowflakes. Is she single or double Lp?
Without the blanket to define the difference between single or double, I haven't found another way to segregate the two.
Snowflake only patterns, if I remember correctly, can happen with one type of blanket Lp, where it can throw both snowflakes and blankets, but can't happen with the other type of blanket Lp, that will only throw blankets. And there is also a snowflake only Lp, where blankets don't seem to appear.

So there really is no way to tell whether she's single or double Lp. Even by breeding out to solid horses, you will only be able to confirm she's a single Lp, IF she throws a solid foal.
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Re: Double Lp varnish?

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BlackOak2 wrote: So there really is no way to tell whether she's single or double Lp. Even by breeding out to solid horses, you will only be able to confirm she's a single Lp, IF she throws a solid foal.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to find out. I'll have to wait and see then, her first foal doesn't look spotted, but he's too young by far to say definitely.

Years ago I was playing another genetically-good horse breeding game, and there was a way to tell apart single and double Lp even when varnish, I just don't remember what it was. Probably striped hooves vs white hooves, but I am not sure. But then Lp worked a bit differently there anyway, well, not Lp itself but the related genes that create specific patterns on it.
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Re: Double Lp varnish?

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Tjigra wrote:
BlackOak2 wrote: So there really is no way to tell whether she's single or double Lp. Even by breeding out to solid horses, you will only be able to confirm she's a single Lp, IF she throws a solid foal.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to find out. I'll have to wait and see then, her first foal doesn't look spotted, but he's too young by far to say definitely.

Years ago I was playing another genetically-good horse breeding game, and there was a way to tell apart single and double Lp even when varnish, I just don't remember what it was. Probably striped hooves vs white hooves, but I am not sure. But then Lp worked a bit differently there anyway, well, not Lp itself but the related genes that create specific patterns on it.
It is certainly nice to have those little cheats, but I do like the realistic way of this a bit more. It adds that little bit of challenge without actually bringing any challenge into it.
... If that makes any actual sense! :lol:
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Re: Double Lp varnish?

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BlackOak2 wrote: It is certainly nice to have those little cheats, but I do like the realistic way of this a bit more. It adds that little bit of challenge without actually bringing any challenge into it.
... If that makes any actual sense! :lol:
That was supposed to be realistic :lol: I don't remember if it was hooves or something else (appy-patterned horses did have striped hooves, they do IRL too, as far as I've seen - I'm not an expert, where I come from there are probably 10 spotted horses in the whole country :lol: ) That was some 15 years ago anyway, and genetic research has come a long way since then, that's probably why the way some things are coded in games are different too.
But yes, I love the challenge without adding to it specifically - probably why I am not too keen on genetic testing being implemented :) Figuring out the colours are to me one of the most interesting parts of HWO.
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Re: Double Lp varnish?

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Tjigra wrote:
BlackOak2 wrote: It is certainly nice to have those little cheats, but I do like the realistic way of this a bit more. It adds that little bit of challenge without actually bringing any challenge into it.
... If that makes any actual sense! :lol:
That was supposed to be realistic :lol: I don't remember if it was hooves or something else (appy-patterned horses did have striped hooves, they do IRL too, as far as I've seen - I'm not an expert, where I come from there are probably 10 spotted horses in the whole country :lol: ) That was some 15 years ago anyway, and genetic research has come a long way since then, that's probably why the way some things are coded in games are different too.
But yes, I love the challenge without adding to it specifically - probably why I am not too keen on genetic testing being implemented :) Figuring out the colours are to me one of the most interesting parts of HWO.
I vaguely remember something about striped hooves too... but I don't recall exactly what they were supposed to be used to define. Because I also distinctly remember a Tb mare I used to ride that had classical snippets on her back feet, but they weren't full white snippets, and her back feet... I'm sure they were striped, but she was pureblood and had no spots... so that confuses me a little to what that something I learned about striped hooves was. :lol:

I am looking forward to genetic testing. Some of it won't matter to me, but some of it will. Like hidden pearl genes, or double versus triple dilutes. Some other things. But there are certain things I won't need it for. Oh, and it will be exceedingly useful for those danged cryptics... cryptic dun, cryptic pangare, so on...
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