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One thing I am curious about

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There is one thing I can't really understand and been wondering about for a while :)
I have a couple of Sorraia stallions for public stud, and they are regularly visited by very fine Arabian mares from different owners. As far as I've noticed, this cross is only valid for two recipes, both are not very popular breeds, so I doubt all those foals are meant to be recipe breeders. Is there any other reason why people breed their fine Arabians to not at all that great (HGP and BR-wise) Sorraias?
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Re: One thing I am curious about

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Sorraia makes the Garrano with the arabian, which in turn makes 5 other recipe breeds, which in turn makes 7 other breeds beyond that. That's where I stopped looking.
Sorraia also makes the Spannish Jennet with the arabian, which in turn makes 10 other recipe breeds. I stopped there because the Spannish Jennet is used for some of the longer 'down the road' recipe breeding.

So, though your stallions might only be used to make two recipes with the arabian breed, they are crucial to making quite a number of other breeds down the line.

Check out your stallions' req's against other studs on the market, it could be that your req's are better for their recipe quests than the others. Or it could be the bloodline, ready availability (meaning you turn-over the energy regularly) and a number of other reasons. When running quests or creating a certain breed, sometimes HGP and BR and even scores (conformation) are less important early on. It could also be your breeding of those two up to that point that draws more attention. So unless the owners of above-mentioned mares actually offer a reason, my first guess is likely that your studs are closer to what they want req-wise than the others on the market and they are choosing to use rather high HGP and BR mares to boost their project toward a more acceptable area as they work toward their end-breed.

That is likely how I might start.
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Re: One thing I am curious about

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Oh well, I didn't think about the breeds further down the line, just noticed Garrano being very rare. And Sorraia turns out to be not the most popular breed either, I just looked at the market, there are only 4 stallions at stud with energy, 3 of them mine :D Didn't occur to me to check. Having sired a Garrano for me, Ungurs might as well be extensively used for making half-of-recipe for Garranos too. I just didn't know so many people want them :D
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Re: One thing I am curious about

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Tjigra wrote:Oh well, I didn't think about the breeds further down the line, just noticed Garrano being very rare. And Sorraia turns out to be not the most popular breed either, I just looked at the market, there are only 4 stallions at stud with energy, 3 of them mine :D Didn't occur to me to check. Having sired a Garrano for me, Ungurs might as well be extensively used for making half-of-recipe for Garranos too. I just didn't know so many people want them :D
From what I've seen, as I've been cruising through these recipe quests, there is a good deal of those in-between breeds that are need for a lot of other breeds that have very low to almost nil population. Which generally means nobody much cares or likes them. Or wants to like them. Or... since it's an in-between breed, the un-researched thought is that there 'should be a lot of them'... simply because the breed is used to create a lot of others.
I've had that last thought often enough, then when I go to purchase one of them to create a quest for whatever reason, I see that there is none, or that they're offers only or likewise. And I'm like: :| Really... :x What a pain.
Hah! :lol: Then I have to see about making my own, using a grade and an available stud or from parent breeds again.
Had to do that 3? times in the past. Then I learned my lesson and looked for availability or just saved the horse for later uses.

Your Sorraia isn't the only one like that, but thankfully, there aren't too many that share a similar fate.
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Re: One thing I am curious about

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Tjigra wrote:There is one thing I can't really understand and been wondering about for a while :)
I have a couple of Sorraia stallions for public stud, and they are regularly visited by very fine Arabian mares from different owners. As far as I've noticed, this cross is only valid for two recipes, both are not very popular breeds, so I doubt all those foals are meant to be recipe breeders. Is there any other reason why people breed their fine Arabians to not at all that great (HGP and BR-wise) Sorraias?
They could also like the coloring of your male!
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Re: One thing I am curious about

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2094646 wrote:
Tjigra wrote:There is one thing I can't really understand and been wondering about for a while :)
I have a couple of Sorraia stallions for public stud, and they are regularly visited by very fine Arabian mares from different owners. As far as I've noticed, this cross is only valid for two recipes, both are not very popular breeds, so I doubt all those foals are meant to be recipe breeders. Is there any other reason why people breed their fine Arabians to not at all that great (HGP and BR-wise) Sorraias?
They could also like the coloring of your male!
All three are just bay duns, Ungurs with rather heavy pangare too. Can't be that.

I looked at some of the Arabian cross offspring of them, and there was a rather common thing among them - owner's notes mentioning something about either Garrano or Criollo. That would be my question answered then - most are really meant to be recipe breeders.

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