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AC Horse Genetics

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So I've been spending (read as "probably wasting") time in the AC refreshing the horses to try and figure out what base colors and dilution genes come with which breeds. I thought I would share my observations; feel free to add your own as well.

Arabians-
Generally bay in varying shades with chestnuts and greys thrown in as well. The bays tend toward medium and darker shades with wild bays also cropping up. I saw a few horses that appeared as thought they might have sooty but I could be wrong. I personally have not come across any blacks but have seen what I assume to be AC blacks (blacks with no ancestors) in pedigrees. (I would also occasionally see what appeared to be a Shetland or Przewalski amongst the Arabians - not sure if that's rare extreme variation or if something goofed.)


Belgians-
Mostly flaxen chestnuts with varying expressions of pangare. Black and bay base coats do show up (saw a very flashy blue roan) but not nearly as often. Sooty occasionally popped up along with a dilution I couldn't quite identify that /might/ have been pearl. I don't think it was roan because the head and legs were too light but there was still enough red color that I don't think it was cream. It might possibly have been the most extreme expression of pangare ever? All of the horses that I saw tended to be medium shades of their base color.


Caspians-
Largely bay with some chestnut, the vast majority of them in dark shades. They're small, so it's hard to tell, but it looked like some of the bays could possibly be expressing silver and their manes and tails. I couldn't see the legs well enough to tell if they were diluted as well, so I don't know if it was actually silver or if the manes/tails just appeared grey-ish for some reason.


Forest Horse-
Dun, pangare, and sooty are all quite prominent. Bay is a common base with brown and chestnut also appearing. Shades tend to be on the darker end of things with the dun dilution making a lot of the horses appear washed out (not a critique of the artists, just how I phrase what I feel like the dilution does to body color).


North African Barb-
Champagne! Cream! The first "obvious" examples I've seen in an AC breed. Some horses were possibly double-dilutes - cream+champagne - but I couldn't be sure. Saw bay and chestnut as base colors. Also spotted black and brown but they are less common (though by no means rare). Roan and sooty(and dun?) also appear in the breed. It seems like if you're looking for more uncommon colors, the NA Barb is the way to go.


Przewalksi Horse-
Dun (and pangare) everywhere. With lots of primitive markings. Just chestnut and bay base coats as far as I could tell, though I suppose a brown could be hiding under the dun.


Shetland Pony-
More cream! Chestnut, bay, brown base coats. Dun, flaxen, and pangare also present.


Tarpans-
Dun everywhere. Again. Less pangare, though. In fact I don't remember seeing any pangare. All base coats appeared to be darker bay.


Turkmenes-
Shiny! Also - Chestnut! There were some other base colors, but chestnut is mostly what you'll see. Especially dark chestnuts.
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Re: AC Horse Genetics

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Ah, thank you. I looked for a post like that one but couldn't find it.
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I started it, but didn't see much use for it, so I never finished
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(14:43:36) Nate: argie goes around the farm at foaling time with a tape measurer, an angle measurer, and a club
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I think it's nice to know what you might come across when looking at the horses in the AC. What's the point of continually refreshing in the hope of getting a cream (or whatever dilute) if it's not in that breed? It's not something that would matter to everyone but I find it useful. ^_^
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Yeah, I just figured that the other color guides were extensive enough that people would be able to figure out what they had and wouldn't need a foundation breed guide
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(14:43:36) Nate: argie goes around the farm at foaling time with a tape measurer, an angle measurer, and a club
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I wasn't thinking of it in an "I want to know what my horse is" way (which is why I didn't include the actual alleles, etc), more of "I want X gene, which AC available breeds carry it?" More of a way to avoid doing what I did - "wasting time" loading new horses looking for a gene that doesn't exist in horses adopted from the AC. (In quotes because I actually had fun doing it.)
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Shetlands have the occasional silver too. Not colour but Forest horses and Tarpans can have medium/light feather, Belgians obviously can have heavy feather
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Kintara wrote:Shetlands have the occasional silver too. Not colour but Forest horses and Tarpans can have medium/light feather, Belgians obviously can have heavy feather

Ah, okay. I probably either didn't look long enough to see the silver or didn't notice. Thanks. ^_^ And I hadn't been looking at feathers but it's good to know. ;)
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Re: AC Horse Genetics

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Raikit wrote:Sooty occasionally popped up along with a dilution I couldn't quite identify that /might/ have been pearl. I don't think it was roan because the head and legs were too light but there was still enough red color that I don't think it was cream. It might possibly have been the most extreme expression of pangare ever? All of the horses that I saw tended to be medium shades of their base color.
Do you mean like this guy? (Screenshot of the AC because I'm too cheap to buy him, lol.) Belgians can get a little nuts with the mealy/pangare.
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Also, North African Barbs can have tiger eye. I've gotten a red dun and a black showing tiger eye (so two copies of the gene). My red dun is retired so I can't link to her but here is the black one.
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