i Need Help. Please Help me.

[Leopard Horse]

I need help breeding the American Walking pony. I have seen, that many people have successfully created the breed, and I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have been working on the breed, but have not been able to create it. I am welcome to any help. Below are some of my horses that I Have been using, If you have any better horses that fit the American Walking Pony, and are willing to stud, or let me barrow, post them below. Thanks for the help!
-Leopard Horse

http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/101765

[Royale Ranch]

I need help breeding the American Walking pony. I have seen, that many people have successfully created the breed, and I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have been working on the breed, but have not been able to create it. I am welcome to any help. Below are some of my horses that I Have been using, If you have any better horses that fit the American Walking Pony, and are willing to stud, or let me barrow, post them below. Thanks for the help!
-Leopard Horse

http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/101765

I don’t know where you are at with creating the American Walking pony, so let’s start with the basics. To create any breed, you must abide by the “recipe” as shown in Breeds Wiki:
American Walking Pony = Welsh Pony x Tennessee Walking Horse.

You won’t be able to create the American Walking Pony without this specific combination. Part breeds etc, won’t work.

However, not every welsh pony and Tennessee walking horse bred together will create the desired result. This is where the breeding guidebooks come in (shown in the evaluation tab.)
To be successful, the foal of the two crosses (welsh and Tennessee) must fit with what the breeding book says. So, if the foal is too short, or too high, it won’t be an American Walking pony.

Requirements for an American Walking Pony:
Height: 13.0 – 14.1hh
Build: Light – Medium
Body size: 10% - 30%
Type: 75% Horse Type – 55% Pony Type.

So that is what your foal will have to look like.

Now, lets take a look at what the parents are going to have too look like to create that foal:
According to Breeds wiki, the ideal welsh pony should look like this:
Welsh pony
Hight: 13.0-13.3hh
Build: Medium – Medium Heavy
Body Size: 40-60%
Type: 50-70% pony type.

And the ideal Tennessee walking horse should look like this:
Tennessee Walking Horse:
Height: 14.3-16.2hh
Build: Light to Medium
Body Size: 10-30%
Type: 75% Horse to 55% Pony type

Now, it is very, very important to note that if you are going to buy a Welsh pony or Tennessee Horse off the market, they might NOT fit these requirements. That can be good thing – or a bad thing. Your goal is, to get the combination of the parents to meet the requirements of the American walking pony.

To start with, we’ll have a look at what you want your ideal “parents” to look like.
Welsh pony:
Height: Although the height should be fine in comparison to the American Walking Horse, you have to remember that the result of the foal will be higher, because the Tennessee walking horse is a lot higher. So, look for a short Welsh pony.
Build: The American Walking Horse (im going to call the American Walking horse AWH from now on, if that’s ok.) … The AWH needs a build that is lighter than the ‘standard’ welsh pony. Although the Tennessee may make the build lighter, you are going to want a build that is “Medium” for your Welsh pony.
Body Size: Similar to build, the Welsh Pony naturally has a much larger body size than the AWH. Although the Tennesse has a lighter body size, and will lower the figure when bred together, from past experience I can say that this figure doesn’t change as much as some of the others. So, you are really going to want a body size as low as possible within the bounds of this breed (obviously, you aren’t going to get 10% body size for this breed, but try as hard as you can to get a body size in the 40’s if possible. (if not lower, but that is unlikely.)
Type: So long as you watch the ‘type’ on your Tennessee, this shouldn’t be too much of an issue, but again, only if you’re on the right side of the scale. That probably makes no sense: But try and get your welsh pony as close as you can to the 50% pony type. If you have a Horse-type Welsh pony, that is also fine.

Now, lets do the same thing for the Tennessee Walking Horse. (which I’ll shorten to TWH.)
Tennessee Walking Horse
Height: Very important – as short as possible. This is because the TWH is naturally a lot taller than what you want your foal to be. The Welsh will bring it down, but you still need to pay attention.
Build: Shouldn’t matter too much, so long as you pay attention to what your welsh pony’s build is. But, look on the lighter side. Any horse that says “medium” and is red in the evaluation, don’t use – it will be too heavy.
Body size: Look for the lower sizes. The lower the better, I think. Although the TWH size fits exactly into what you want in your foal, remember that the welsh pony is a lot bigger, so you need to counteract of that.
Type: I would recommend only using “horse -types” if possible. In one sense, the more horse-type, the better (so, closer to 75%) this will pull the welsh pony’s stats over

Phew. Now, I’ve totally confused you. Ps – you won’t have to go into this much detail, or do exactly as this says – (often, there are many surprises!) plus, I don’t even apply the exact recommendations I give myself to the potential horses.) just – keep all the things in mind. Plus, it gives you the idea where the biggest issue might be.
Of course, it will depend on what horses you choose. But right now, I think the biggest problem will be the body size, and the height.


Finally, lets take a look at the horses you have in the pasture you linked at the top. You have two TWH’s:

Horse 1: (Ruby Red) http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1894976
*2 Tennessee Walking Horse evaluation
Height: 16.0hh
Build: Medium
Body Size: 89.1
Type: 62% horse type

Horse 2: (Black Hurricane) http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1930944
*4 Tennessee Walking Horse Evaluation
Height: 16.2
Build: Medium Light
Body Size: 24.5
Type: 67% Horse type.

Now, we’ll compare these to what I said above.
Height: Both horses are (ideally) far too tall. That isn’t to say they won’t work: They will just need a really, really, really short horse to reduce the height to 14.1 hh or lower.
Build: The first horse, “Ruby Red” might be too heavy. If she was “medium” and her stat in the evaluation was green, she might work, but I don’t think she will. The second horse, black hurricane, is good!
Body size: Horse one is far too big. You’re wanting to ideally look at between 10-20%. Saying that, even horse two might prove to be too big, but she might work.
Type: Both should work well.

I hope that helps somewhat. All in all, the second mare, “Black Hurricane” could work, so long as you have a really short stud, (and watch the body size) but it is unlikely “Ruby Red” will directly produce an AWH foal. BUT – you can use her to create another Tennessee, one that better fits to what you need, to then breed to a welsh cob.

I’ve probably confused me completely…. Please feel free to ask questions!

(and guess what – if you cant find any suitable ‘parents’ you will have to create them – or breed them into shape…!)

[Leopard Horse]

I need help breeding the American Walking pony. I have seen, that many people have successfully created the breed, and I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have been working on the breed, but have not been able to create it. I am welcome to any help. Below are some of my horses that I Have been using, If you have any better horses that fit the American Walking Pony, and are willing to stud, or let me barrow, post them below. Thanks for the help!
-Leopard Horse

http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/101765

I don’t know where you are at with creating the American Walking pony, so let’s start with the basics. To create any breed, you must abide by the “recipe” as shown in Breeds Wiki:
American Walking Pony = Welsh Pony x Tennessee Walking Horse.

You won’t be able to create the American Walking Pony without this specific combination. Part breeds etc, won’t work.

However, not every welsh pony and Tennessee walking horse bred together will create the desired result. This is where the breeding guidebooks come in (shown in the evaluation tab.)
To be successful, the foal of the two crosses (welsh and Tennessee) must fit with what the breeding book says. So, if the foal is too short, or too high, it won’t be an American Walking pony.

Requirements for an American Walking Pony:
Height: 13.0 – 14.1hh
Build: Light – Medium
Body size: 10% - 30%
Type: 75% Horse Type – 55% Pony Type.

So that is what your foal will have to look like.

Now, lets take a look at what the parents are going to have too look like to create that foal:
According to Breeds wiki, the ideal welsh pony should look like this:
Welsh pony
Hight: 13.0-13.3hh
Build: Medium – Medium Heavy
Body Size: 40-60%
Type: 50-70% pony type.

And the ideal Tennessee walking horse should look like this:
Tennessee Walking Horse:
Height: 14.3-16.2hh
Build: Light to Medium
Body Size: 10-30%
Type: 75% Horse to 55% Pony type

Now, it is very, very important to note that if you are going to buy a Welsh pony or Tennessee Horse off the market, they might NOT fit these requirements. That can be good thing – or a bad thing. Your goal is, to get the combination of the parents to meet the requirements of the American walking pony.

To start with, we’ll have a look at what you want your ideal “parents” to look like.
Welsh pony:
Height: Although the height should be fine in comparison to the American Walking Horse, you have to remember that the result of the foal will be higher, because the Tennessee walking horse is a lot higher. So, look for a short Welsh pony.
Build: The American Walking Horse (im going to call the American Walking horse AWH from now on, if that’s ok.) … The AWH needs a build that is lighter than the ‘standard’ welsh pony. Although the Tennessee may make the build lighter, you are going to want a build that is “Medium” for your Welsh pony.
Body Size: Similar to build, the Welsh Pony naturally has a much larger body size than the AWH. Although the Tennesse has a lighter body size, and will lower the figure when bred together, from past experience I can say that this figure doesn’t change as much as some of the others. So, you are really going to want a body size as low as possible within the bounds of this breed (obviously, you aren’t going to get 10% body size for this breed, but try as hard as you can to get a body size in the 40’s if possible. (if not lower, but that is unlikely.)
Type: So long as you watch the ‘type’ on your Tennessee, this shouldn’t be too much of an issue, but again, only if you’re on the right side of the scale. That probably makes no sense: But try and get your welsh pony as close as you can to the 50% pony type. If you have a Horse-type Welsh pony, that is also fine.

Now, lets do the same thing for the Tennessee Walking Horse. (which I’ll shorten to TWH.)
Tennessee Walking Horse
Height: Very important – as short as possible. This is because the TWH is naturally a lot taller than what you want your foal to be. The Welsh will bring it down, but you still need to pay attention.
Build: Shouldn’t matter too much, so long as you pay attention to what your welsh pony’s build is. But, look on the lighter side. Any horse that says “medium” and is red in the evaluation, don’t use – it will be too heavy.
Body size: Look for the lower sizes. The lower the better, I think. Although the TWH size fits exactly into what you want in your foal, remember that the welsh pony is a lot bigger, so you need to counteract of that.
Type: I would recommend only using “horse -types” if possible. In one sense, the more horse-type, the better (so, closer to 75%) this will pull the welsh pony’s stats over

Phew. Now, I’ve totally confused you. Ps – you won’t have to go into this much detail, or do exactly as this says – (often, there are many surprises!) plus, I don’t even apply the exact recommendations I give myself to the potential horses.) just – keep all the things in mind. Plus, it gives you the idea where the biggest issue might be.
Of course, it will depend on what horses you choose. But right now, I think the biggest problem will be the body size, and the height.


Finally, lets take a look at the horses you have in the pasture you linked at the top. You have two TWH’s:

Horse 1: (Ruby Red) http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1894976
*2 Tennessee Walking Horse evaluation
Height: 16.0hh
Build: Medium
Body Size: 89.1
Type: 62% horse type

Horse 2: (Black Hurricane) http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1930944
*4 Tennessee Walking Horse Evaluation
Height: 16.2
Build: Medium Light
Body Size: 24.5
Type: 67% Horse type.

Now, we’ll compare these to what I said above.
Height: Both horses are (ideally) far too tall. That isn’t to say they won’t work: They will just need a really, really, really short horse to reduce the height to 14.1 hh or lower.
Build: The first horse, “Ruby Red” might be too heavy. If she was “medium” and her stat in the evaluation was green, she might work, but I don’t think she will. The second horse, black hurricane, is good!
Body size: Horse one is far too big. You’re wanting to ideally look at between 10-20%. Saying that, even horse two might prove to be too big, but she might work.
Type: Both should work well.

I hope that helps somewhat. All in all, the second mare, “Black Hurricane” could work, so long as you have a really short stud, (and watch the body size) but it is unlikely “Ruby Red” will directly produce an AWH foal. BUT – you can use her to create another Tennessee, one that better fits to what you need, to then breed to a welsh cob.

I’ve probably confused me completely…. Please feel free to ask questions!

(and guess what – if you cant find any suitable ‘parents’ you will have to create them – or breed them into shape…!)

WOW, this helps a lot! before I breed horses or do anything, could I run them by you to see if they would fit, thsi is my first time creating a new breed, so this really helps.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1968902

[Royale Ranch]

]WOW, this helps a lot! before I breed horses or do anything, could I run them by you to see if they would fit, thsi is my first time creating a new breed, so this really helps.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1968902

Good - i'm glad!

Okay, so the horse that you linked is only 30% Welsh Pony.

To be successful, you are going to need to either:
1. get a Full Welsh Pony
2. Or breed the linked one until you have a full welsh pony.

I've just had a bit of a look through the market - for either stud, or a welsh pony...and they are quite scarce.!
So i will leave the option up to you

probably, the easiest way forward will be to breed her until she's "purebred."
For your interest:

Height: Good!
Build: Good!
Body size: Way to high (62, should be about 40-45 max)
Type: Borderline, but works well.

[Shill Farm]

]WOW, this helps a lot! before I breed horses or do anything, could I run them by you to see if they would fit, thsi is my first time creating a new breed, so this really helps.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1968902

Good - i'm glad!

Okay, so the horse that you linked is only 30% Welsh Pony.

To be successful, you are going to need to either:
1. get a Full Welsh Pony
2. Or breed the linked one until you have a full welsh pony.

I've just had a bit of a look through the market - for either stud, or a welsh pony...and they are quite scarce.!
So i will leave the option up to you

probably, the easiest way forward will be to breed her until she's "purebred."
For your interest:

Height: Good!
Build: Good!
Body size: Way to high (62, should be about 40-45 max)
Type: Borderline, but works well.

You do not have to have a full breed to create another breed. Oftentimes the easiest route is to breed a full bred horse to a grade horse that has the right conformation. That cross is more likely to be successful in the end than a full bred horse that's way off the mark. So, if you could find a grade horse built like the AWP and breed it to your out of what TWH, you would probably end up with a half TWH that would more likely meet your needs.

[Shill Farm]

Good - i'm glad!

Okay, so the horse that you linked is only 30% Welsh Pony.

To be successful, you are going to need to either:
1. get a Full Welsh Pony
2. Or breed the linked one until you have a full welsh pony.

I've just had a bit of a look through the market - for either stud, or a welsh pony...and they are quite scarce.!
So i will leave the option up to you

probably, the easiest way forward will be to breed her until she's "purebred."
For your interest:

Height: Good!
Build: Good!
Body size: Way to high (62, should be about 40-45 max)
Type: Borderline, but works well.

You do not have to have a full breed to create another breed. Oftentimes the easiest route is to breed a full bred horse to a grade horse that has the right conformation. That cross is more likely to be successful in the end than a full bred horse that's way off the mark. So, if you could find a grade horse built like the AWP and breed it to your out of whack TWH, you would probably end up with a half TWH that would more likely meet your needs.

[Leopard Horse]

]WOW, this helps a lot! before I breed horses or do anything, could I run them by you to see if they would fit, thsi is my first time creating a new breed, so this really helps.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1968902

Good - i'm glad!

Okay, so the horse that you linked is only 30% Welsh Pony.

To be successful, you are going to need to either:
1. get a Full Welsh Pony
2. Or breed the linked one until you have a full welsh pony.

I've just had a bit of a look through the market - for either stud, or a welsh pony...and they are quite scarce.!
So i will leave the option up to you

probably, the easiest way forward will be to breed her until she's "purebred."
For your interest:

Height: Good!
Build: Good!
Body size: Way to high (62, should be about 40-45 max)
Type: Borderline, but works well.

Ok I found a WP Stallion that might be ok. http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1918016

[Leopard Horse]

You do not have to have a full breed to create another breed. Oftentimes the easiest route is to breed a full bred horse to a grade horse that has the right conformation. That cross is more likely to be successful in the end than a full bred horse that's way off the mark. So, if you could find a grade horse built like the AWP and breed it to your out of whack TWH, you would probably end up with a half TWH that would more likely meet your needs.

Thx for the advice, but i have tried that way,and it did not work.

[Leopard Horse]

]WOW, this helps a lot! before I breed horses or do anything, could I run them by you to see if they would fit, thsi is my first time creating a new breed, so this really helps.
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1968902

Good - i'm glad!

Okay, so the horse that you linked is only 30% Welsh Pony.

To be successful, you are going to need to either:
1. get a Full Welsh Pony
2. Or breed the linked one until you have a full welsh pony.

I've just had a bit of a look through the market - for either stud, or a welsh pony...and they are quite scarce.!
So i will leave the option up to you

probably, the easiest way forward will be to breed her until she's "purebred."
For your interest:

Height: Good!
Build: Good!
Body size: Way to high (62, should be about 40-45 max)
Type: Borderline, but works well.

I have a 50% TWH will he work,if i breed him to a TWH mare that fits the requirements

[BlackOak2]

We all learn the breeding process in our own ways. Once we understand the differences, it becomes much easier.

If breeding from half and part (and not two breed half and part if that's not what the recipe calls for) does not work, then breeding toward fullbred and working directly with them, may be the better way as the process is learned.

To make sure everybody does understand: If the recipe calls for, lets say an arabian crossed to a thoroughbred for a new breed, then using a part arabian and a mixed thoroughbred Will Also Work, as long as there isn't another named breed mixed in.
Plus in a two recipe breed, using the offspring of said cross, so an arabian x thoroughbred to another arabian x thoroughbred, can (Not Will) make the outcome breed.
These are tricks to getting the outcome breed.

What it all comes down to, is the closer the parents are to the outcome breed standard, the higher chance we have of getting that outcome breed. Learn how the breeding works the way it works for you, as you get a handle on it, expand your knowledge. There are quite a few tricks that we all have used to help us along. Some work in one case, others work in another.