Breeding Soviet Heavy Draft

[Eternity Awaits]

I've been trying to breed Soviet Heavy Draft for days and days and can't seem to get a foal. I keep getting
Belgian x Percheron mixes. Here are the horses I've used. What am I doing wrong?

[Thundering Horses]

I've been trying to breed Soviet Heavy Draft for days and days and can't seem to get a foal. I keep getting
Belgian x Percheron mixes. Here are the horses I've used. What am I doing wrong?

Horses Basic Physique
Criteria Ideal & Rating
Height Mature Range 15.0hh to 16.2hh
This horse is 15.3hh [Rating Good]
Rating is based on estimated mature height.
Build Heavy to Very Heavy
Your Horse is Heavy [Rating Good]
Build is 75% Type and 25% Body Size. Build is a reference, but not a requirement for creating a new breed.
Body Size 80% to 100%
Your Horse is 71.55% [Rating Poor]
Body Size describes the overall bulk of the horse.
Type 80% to 100% Pony Type
Your Horse is 86% Pony Type [Rating Good]
Type is the description of leg length to body length.


Soviet Heavy Draft Evaluation
Overall 4 Horses Basic Physique
Criteria Ideal & Rating
Height Mature Range 15.0hh to 16.2hh
This horse is 18.1hh [Rating Poor]
Rating is based on estimated mature height.
Build Heavy to Very Heavy
Your Horse is Very Heavy [Rating Good]
Build is 75% Type and 25% Body Size. Build is a reference, but not a requirement for creating a new breed.
Body Size 80% to 100%
Your Horse is 91% [Rating Good]
Body Size describes the overall bulk of the horse.
Type 80% to 100% Pony Type
Your Horse is 97% Pony Type [Rating Good]
Type is the description of leg length to body length.


Horses Basic Physique
Criteria Ideal & Rating
Height Mature Range 15.0hh to 16.2hh
This horse is 16.1hh [Rating Good]
Rating is based on estimated mature height.
Build Heavy to Very Heavy
Your Horse is Heavy [Rating Good]
Build is 75% Type and 25% Body Size. Build is a reference, but not a requirement for creating a new breed.
Body Size 80% to 100%
Your Horse is 68.4% [Rating Poor]
Body Size describes the overall bulk of the horse.
Type 80% to 100% Pony Type
Your Horse is 88% Pony Type [Rating Good]
Type is the description of leg length to body length.


Horses Basic Physique
Criteria Ideal & Rating
Height Mature Range 15.0hh to 16.2hh
This horse is 14.0hh [Rating Poor]
Rating is based on estimated mature height.
Build Heavy to Very Heavy
Your Horse is Heavy [Rating Good]
Build is 75% Type and 25% Body Size. Build is a reference, but not a requirement for creating a new breed.
Body Size 80% to 100%
Your Horse is 86.85% [Rating Good]
Body Size describes the overall bulk of the horse.
Type 80% to 100% Pony Type
Your Horse is 88% Pony Type [Rating Good]
Type is the description of leg length to body length.


Horses Basic Physique
Criteria Ideal & Rating
Height Mature Range 15.0hh to 16.2hh
This horse is 19.3hh [Rating Poor]
Rating is based on estimated mature height.
Build Heavy to Very Heavy
Your Horse is Very Heavy [Rating Good]
Build is 75% Type and 25% Body Size. Build is a reference, but not a requirement for creating a new breed.
Body Size 80% to 100%
Your Horse is 97% [Rating Good]
Body Size describes the overall bulk of the horse.
Type 80% to 100% Pony Type
Your Horse is 98% Pony Type [Rating Good]
Type is the description of leg length to body length.


So what I am getting at is that the book has to say 5* not 4*

[BlackOak2]

I've been trying to breed Soviet Heavy Draft for days and days and can't seem to get a foal. I keep getting
Belgian x Percheron mixes. Here are the horses I've used. What am I doing wrong?

Thundering Hooves is partially correct.
We can (as you may already know) make a recipe horse from two parents that don't meet any requirements for the new breed. HOWEVER, achieving that is pure luck or a LONG time of trying.

Your most likely failure is that the stallions are both WAY too tall. Breeding to the short mare 'Breed to Belgian' may offer you the new breed, but using the other mares will likely not offer you the recipe breed you're going for.

Many of us find better luck of balancing out height when we use a too-short stud with a too-tall mare. Mares seem to almost want to throw shorter then themselves and stallions almost want to throw taller, therefore mixing a taller mare with a shorter mare does seem to work better than mixing a taller stallion with a shorter mare.

My suggestion: find a stallion (similar in both type and style to your current) that's at least 15 hands, but doesn't cross 16.1. Otherwise, it's about flipping the coin.

I have gone through multiple generations of 4 and 5 star parents without creating the recipe breed (and I'm not the only one)... so sometimes it takes awhile.

[Eternity Awaits]

I've been trying to breed Soviet Heavy Draft for days and days and can't seem to get a foal. I keep getting
Belgian x Percheron mixes. Here are the horses I've used. What am I doing wrong?

Thundering Hooves is partially correct.
We can (as you may already know) make a recipe horse from two parents that don't meet any requirements for the new breed. HOWEVER, achieving that is pure luck or a LONG time of trying.

Your most likely failure is that the stallions are both WAY too tall. Breeding to the short mare 'Breed to Belgian' may offer you the new breed, but using the other mares will likely not offer you the recipe breed you're going for.

Many of us find better luck of balancing out height when we use a too-short stud with a too-tall mare. Mares seem to almost want to throw shorter then themselves and stallions almost want to throw taller, therefore mixing a taller mare with a shorter mare does seem to work better than mixing a taller stallion with a shorter mare.

My suggestion: find a stallion (similar in both type and style to your current) that's at least 15 hands, but doesn't cross 16.1. Otherwise, it's about flipping the coin.

I have gone through multiple generations of 4 and 5 star parents without creating the recipe breed (and I'm not the only one)... so sometimes it takes awhile.

Thank you. I'll try that and let you know.

[Eternity Awaits]

stud

Hello, I'd love to use your belgian to create this breed. Can you age him so I can use him?
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1638392

[Eternity Awaits]

I bred a Soviet Heavy Draft! I did it! Thank you for pointing out some things that helped me do it!

I did it

Yay

[Eternity Awaits]

I bred a Soviet Heavy Draft! I did it! Thank you for pointing out some things that helped me do it!

I did it

Yay

[Thundering Horses]

I bred a Soviet Heavy Draft! I did it! Thank you for pointing out some things that helped me do it!

I did it

Yay

Glad to help

[BlackOak2]

I bred a Soviet Heavy Draft! I did it! Thank you for pointing out some things that helped me do it!

Congrats!
It's always nice when a little suggestion is all that's needed.