Increasing Conformation Stats through breeding....

[Royale Ranch]

Hello All;

I honestly don't know if this forum is the most relevant area for this question, but here 'tis:

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY:
First, consider the two most common breeds on HWO, the Arabian, and the TB.
say, for example, i wanted to increase the speed of my Arabians through crossbreeding TB's....

So, the most obvious step is to breed an Arabian with a TB, resulting in a horse labeled "Arabian x TB" - pretty obvious.

But to get to the point of my question - where do you go from there?

should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal.
should the Arabian x TB be bred with an TB, I will get a 80% Arabian foal.

Then, should the 80% Arabian foal be bred with another (100%) Arabian, it will result in a 45% Arabian....

This post possibly makes no sense, but the long and short of it is: What is the most effective method to breed a horse back to its original state from a simple axb cross?

be glad of any help...

Royale

[buzzy]

Hello All;

I honestly don't know if this forum is the most relevant area for this question, but here 'tis:

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY:
First, consider the two most common breeds on HWO, the Arabian, and the TB.
say, for example, i wanted to increase the speed of my Arabians through crossbreeding TB's....

So, the most obvious step is to breed an Arabian with a TB, resulting in a horse labeled "Arabian x TB" - pretty obvious.

But to get to the point of my question - where do you go from there?

should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal.
should the Arabian x TB be bred with an TB, I will get a 80% Arabian foal.

Then, should the 80% Arabian foal be bred with another (100%) Arabian, it will result in a 45% Arabian....

This post possibly makes no sense, but the long and short of it is: What is the most effective method to breed a horse back to its original state from a simple axb cross?

be glad of any help...

Royale

I know I am probably no help... But I am going to try!
Ok, I have been wondering the same thing, what if you bred a half thoroughbred with the pure Arabian? That way you get speed, without having a whole thoroughbred to try and breed out of a line of Arabs! Hope this somewhat helps

Victory Hills Farm Inc.

Arabian Hunters, Saddleseat, and Dressage

[Royale Ranch]

Hello All;

I honestly don't know if this forum is the most relevant area for this question, but here 'tis:

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY:
First, consider the two most common breeds on HWO, the Arabian, and the TB.
say, for example, i wanted to increase the speed of my Arabians through crossbreeding TB's....

So, the most obvious step is to breed an Arabian with a TB, resulting in a horse labeled "Arabian x TB" - pretty obvious.

But to get to the point of my question - where do you go from there?

should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal.
should the Arabian x TB be bred with an TB, I will get a 80% Arabian foal.

Then, should the 80% Arabian foal be bred with another (100%) Arabian, it will result in a 45% Arabian....

This post possibly makes no sense, but the long and short of it is: What is the most effective method to breed a horse back to its original state from a simple axb cross?

be glad of any help...

Royale

I know I am probably no help... But I am going to try!
Ok, I have been wondering the same thing, what if you bred a half thoroughbred with the pure Arabian? That way you get speed, without having a whole thoroughbred to try and breed out of a line of Arabs! Hope this somewhat helps

Victory Hills Farm Inc.

Arabian Hunters, Saddleseat, and Dressage

is that not the same thing as breeding a {thoroughbred x arabian} with [arabian}?
quote: "should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal."


ps - hope i dont sound rude - can be rather blunt at times! thanks for your help though

oh and by the way, the actual horses that i am working on now are not TB's and arabians - they were just used as an example as being common in the game.

[buzzy]

I know I am probably no help... But I am going to try!
Ok, I have been wondering the same thing, what if you bred a half thoroughbred with the pure Arabian? That way you get speed, without having a whole thoroughbred to try and breed out of a line of Arabs! Hope this somewhat helps

Victory Hills Farm Inc.

Arabian Hunters, Saddleseat, and Dressage

is that not the same thing as breeding a {thoroughbred x arabian} with [arabian}?
quote: "should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal."


ps - hope i dont sound rude - can be rather blunt at times! thanks for your help though

oh and by the way, the actual horses that i am working on now are not TB's and arabians - they were just used as an example as being common in the game.

Breed a Arabian to a half thoroughbred or part thoroughbred that way when you breed that foal you get to another Arabian, you have less of the thoroughbred. I don't know if it's the same thing... Sorry if that is confusing!!

[BlackOak2]

Hello All;

I honestly don't know if this forum is the most relevant area for this question, but here 'tis:

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY:
First, consider the two most common breeds on HWO, the Arabian, and the TB.
say, for example, i wanted to increase the speed of my Arabians through crossbreeding TB's....

So, the most obvious step is to breed an Arabian with a TB, resulting in a horse labeled "Arabian x TB" - pretty obvious.

But to get to the point of my question - where do you go from there?

should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal.
should the Arabian x TB be bred with an TB, I will get a 80% Arabian foal.

Then, should the 80% Arabian foal be bred with another (100%) Arabian, it will result in a 45% Arabian....

This post possibly makes no sense, but the long and short of it is: What is the most effective method to breed a horse back to its original state from a simple axb cross?

be glad of any help...

Royale

Just so you know, all questions about the game should go into the help questions forum. General Chit Chat is for non-question game chatter and non-game chatter. But, no big deal.

So, the quickest way to breed a 50/50 cross back to a purebred, it'll take something like 10? generations (it may just be 7 or less generations, I don't recall offhand), however when using this technique, you will have to breed each successful offspring back to a purebred. If you breed to a non-purebred but mostly of the breed you want, it will take longer. If breeding to a non-purebred, try to stick with mixes that only show the breed you want (or crosses with your original crossed-out breed), so you can avoid breeding a Grade horse.

However, might I suggest taking a look at what's for sale or stud of the breed you want to improve, there might already be one that has the strength you want to improve already available, even if said horse is much less HGP or breeder's report than you would consider breeding to. There could also be half or part breeds of your desired improvement breed that exist on market as well.
There is also the option of hiring another player to create your desired breed with the desired stat already improved.

[Royale Ranch]

Hello All;

I honestly don't know if this forum is the most relevant area for this question, but here 'tis:

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY:
First, consider the two most common breeds on HWO, the Arabian, and the TB.
say, for example, i wanted to increase the speed of my Arabians through crossbreeding TB's....

So, the most obvious step is to breed an Arabian with a TB, resulting in a horse labeled "Arabian x TB" - pretty obvious.

But to get to the point of my question - where do you go from there?

should the Arabian x TB be bred with an Arabian, I will get a 80% TB foal.
should the Arabian x TB be bred with an TB, I will get a 80% Arabian foal.

Then, should the 80% Arabian foal be bred with another (100%) Arabian, it will result in a 45% Arabian....

This post possibly makes no sense, but the long and short of it is: What is the most effective method to breed a horse back to its original state from a simple axb cross?

be glad of any help...

Royale

Just so you know, all questions about the game should go into the help questions forum. General Chit Chat is for non-question game chatter and non-game chatter. But, no big deal.

So, the quickest way to breed a 50/50 cross back to a purebred, it'll take something like 10? generations (it may just be 7 or less generations, I don't recall offhand), however when using this technique, you will have to breed each successful offspring back to a purebred. If you breed to a non-purebred but mostly of the breed you want, it will take longer. If breeding to a non-purebred, try to stick with mixes that only show the breed you want (or crosses with your original crossed-out breed), so you can avoid breeding a Grade horse.

However, might I suggest taking a look at what's for sale or stud of the breed you want to improve, there might already be one that has the strength you want to improve already available, even if said horse is much less HGP or breeder's report than you would consider breeding to. There could also be half or part breeds of your desired improvement breed that exist on market as well.
There is also the option of hiring another player to create your desired breed with the desired stat already improved.

opps... sorry!

wow.. okay. Thanks for the help there, really appreciate it. As mentioned - the actual horses that im using for this particular project arent TBS and arabians - its just a hypothetical question so dont need to worry bout the grade horse specifically

Thanks - there is always that option i guess - but if i want to do it myself/learn? its all part of the fun. thanks though, blackoak- really appreciate your help. i think im on about my 4 or 5th generation of breeding back now so that gives me a little hope

Royale

[BlackOak2]

opps... sorry!

wow.. okay. Thanks for the help there, really appreciate it. As mentioned - the actual horses that im using for this particular project arent TBS and arabians - its just a hypothetical question so dont need to worry bout the grade horse specifically

Thanks - there is always that option i guess - but if i want to do it myself/learn? its all part of the fun. thanks though, blackoak- really appreciate your help. i think im on about my 4 or 5th generation of breeding back now so that gives me a little hope

Royale

You will eventually get there. The game is designed to get back to purebred and it's designed to use a certain percentage. I don't recall the exact percentage however... but something like 99.01% and above the game considers it suddenly 100% purebred and it will show as: Arabian 100% indicating it. Of course like I said, I don't recall the exact percentage, but it will round it up to be purebred at some point.

The biggest thing to watch is that your hard-fought-for stat doesn't suddenly get lost and weakened by breeding back into purebred. That happens a lot and can happen a lot quicker if you have high COI. To combat this is to create a couple different crossed foals from a couple different strong outcross parents to give a couple different strong gene modifiers into your line. Sometimes it works to breed these different lines together and inject them into your line, sometimes it works better to stagger them separately from one another and inject them into your line at different places, such as: breed them into purebred using different purebred parents, or choose one purebred bloodline and breed them into this specific purebred line to strengthen one line then use that purebred line to cross out to the rest of your breeding stock.

It will come down to personal preference, room on your farm and probably most of all: patience.

Ah, the Joys of being a Breeder!
Good Luck!

[Royale Ranch]

opps... sorry!

wow.. okay. Thanks for the help there, really appreciate it. As mentioned - the actual horses that im using for this particular project arent TBS and arabians - its just a hypothetical question so dont need to worry bout the grade horse specifically

Thanks - there is always that option i guess - but if i want to do it myself/learn? its all part of the fun. thanks though, blackoak- really appreciate your help. i think im on about my 4 or 5th generation of breeding back now so that gives me a little hope

Royale

You will eventually get there. The game is designed to get back to purebred and it's designed to use a certain percentage. I don't recall the exact percentage however... but something like 99.01% and above the game considers it suddenly 100% purebred and it will show as: Arabian 100% indicating it. Of course like I said, I don't recall the exact percentage, but it will round it up to be purebred at some point.

The biggest thing to watch is that your hard-fought-for stat doesn't suddenly get lost and weakened by breeding back into purebred. That happens a lot and can happen a lot quicker if you have high COI. To combat this is to create a couple different crossed foals from a couple different strong outcross parents to give a couple different strong gene modifiers into your line. Sometimes it works to breed these different lines together and inject them into your line, sometimes it works better to stagger them separately from one another and inject them into your line at different places, such as: breed them into purebred using different purebred parents, or choose one purebred bloodline and breed them into this specific purebred line to strengthen one line then use that purebred line to cross out to the rest of your breeding stock.

It will come down to personal preference, room on your farm and probably most of all: patience.

Ah, the Joys of being a Breeder!
Good Luck!

thanks a lot, Blackoak. talk in chat sometime?

[BlackOak2]

thanks a lot, Blackoak. talk in chat sometime?

I don't visit chat, but if you have some discussions or topics you want to pick brains about, I could drop in.
You'll just need to let me know.

[Royale Ranch]

thanks a lot, Blackoak. talk in chat sometime?

I don't visit chat, but if you have some discussions or topics you want to pick brains about, I could drop in.
You'll just need to let me know.

thanks, Blackoak. I would love to go over my current breeding project with you if that is okay.. we could go into a private channel if you like? I'm in there now if/when you are ready.