Exmoor Pony [Completed 2024-08-14]

[Alice Keegan]

Whoops! I'm usually better than that!
Apologies for assuming and making the mistake that you weren't his owner.

When I got my first black foal, I questioned why and I remember looking at his notes and seeing you had only indicated one At, which I then assumed you had already confirmed that he was. X/

Ah, the plague of assumption!

Only reason I haven't yet kept a secondary foal from him, is because he keeps giving me colts. -_- And I think he did give me one tall filly, being born at 10 hands, however, is a considerable problem for the exmoor project. XD
Maybe this time.

It's all good! And I meant it when I said I appreciated reading your experience breeding from him.
It looks like this time he finally gave you a nice brown dun filly! Glad he finally did his job!

Yeah, if I've confirmed a color gene it will be included in the gene sequence, which doesn't really apply to Donovan anymore since he has been pretty well proven out. However, feel free to peruse my farm if you're ever looking for stock for your program! I would be happy to put anyone up for stud if you like any of them (even the foundations), and I may consider parting with some depending on the horse.

However, like mentioned, I'm still early in my program. I'm still making crosses to either introduce desired colors and to fix some conformation issues in the breed (I'm not even looking at abilities right now). I'm specifically trying to fix the shoulder angle and the barrel right now. Przewalski Horses and Tarpans tend to have very upright shoulders and shallow rib cages/depth of flanks, which don't fit the standard set by The Exmoor Pony Society. Unfortunately, many of the breeds that can fix this are very tall or very short, so fair warning my stock will through inconsistent heights right now.

And, as an aside to EVERYONE: I'm happy to stud/potentially sell out to anyone! Just request if you find a stud you'd like and I'll set the price for any of my Exmoor Pony studs to $1. Selling is more iffy (especially for fillies) but I will be open to considering selling, though that discussion can happen if that ever arises.

[BlackOak2]

It's all good! And I meant it when I said I appreciated reading your experience breeding from him.
It looks like this time he finally gave you a nice brown dun filly! Glad he finally did his job!

Yeah, if I've confirmed a color gene it will be included in the gene sequence, which doesn't really apply to Donovan anymore since he has been pretty well proven out. However, feel free to peruse my farm if you're ever looking for stock for your program! I would be happy to put anyone up for stud if you like any of them (even the foundations), and I may consider parting with some depending on the horse.

However, like mentioned, I'm still early in my program. I'm still making crosses to either introduce desired colors and to fix some conformation issues in the breed (I'm not even looking at abilities right now). I'm specifically trying to fix the shoulder angle and the barrel right now. Przewalski Horses and Tarpans tend to have very upright shoulders and shallow rib cages/depth of flanks, which don't fit the standard set by The Exmoor Pony Society. Unfortunately, many of the breeds that can fix this are very tall or very short, so fair warning my stock will through inconsistent heights right now.

And, as an aside to EVERYONE: I'm happy to stud/potentially sell out to anyone! Just request if you find a stud you'd like and I'll set the price for any of my Exmoor Pony studs to $1. Selling is more iffy (especially for fillies) but I will be open to considering selling, though that discussion can happen if that ever arises.

Absolutely! My OCD-like mind traps certain things (like height and body builds) so, offering them to others is kind of like spring cleaning my brain.

Getting the brown in, is going to be painful, but I knew this going into it. Besides, mealy dun browns are quite eye-catching! So although they might be a little rare in the exmoor, I definitely want to put forth the effort that the color gets a solid chance into the AC (although if none of us actually bred it, I doubt larissar would leave it out).

Since you're aiming for the brown as well, when I'm a little closer to exmoor percentages, I'll keep a hold of a couple colts and put them up. Although if you and I mix stock, it's going to have negative impacts on the COI. What I'd like to do, is produce a purebred exmoor colt in brown and then put him up. But that'll still be some five generations after the brown is set in. Which means either inbreeding or hopping through hoops with multiple unrelated lines.
I think I'm getting to that multiple unrelated lines area. They've started as two separate (slightly related) lines, more line-bred than direct cousins, but that should soon be outside the fifth generational formula. Eh... we'll see, I suppose. Either way, COI still needs to be tempered in my brown line.

I think, if or when you produce a brown exmoor (single or double brown, but not bay), no matter what percentage, purebred or otherwise, we should consider swapping a baby from our corresponding productions. Even if they both come down from Donovan, our separate lines should be far enough apart to not have much impact on COI. The good thing is, I have one line that isn't related to your Donovan, so that one is a prime line for your herd. That one's producing grade horses currently.

I'm a generation or two out from starting to breed into my main exmoor herd with the browns.

[Alice Keegan]

Absolutely! My OCD-like mind traps certain things (like height and body builds) so, offering them to others is kind of like spring cleaning my brain.

Getting the brown in, is going to be painful, but I knew this going into it. Besides, mealy dun browns are quite eye-catching! So although they might be a little rare in the exmoor, I definitely want to put forth the effort that the color gets a solid chance into the AC (although if none of us actually bred it, I doubt larissar would leave it out).

Since you're aiming for the brown as well, when I'm a little closer to exmoor percentages, I'll keep a hold of a couple colts and put them up. Although if you and I mix stock, it's going to have negative impacts on the COI. What I'd like to do, is produce a purebred exmoor colt in brown and then put him up. But that'll still be some five generations after the brown is set in. Which means either inbreeding or hopping through hoops with multiple unrelated lines.
I think I'm getting to that multiple unrelated lines area. They've started as two separate (slightly related) lines, more line-bred than direct cousins, but that should soon be outside the fifth generational formula. Eh... we'll see, I suppose. Either way, COI still needs to be tempered in my brown line.

I think, if or when you produce a brown exmoor (single or double brown, but not bay), no matter what percentage, purebred or otherwise, we should consider swapping a baby from our corresponding productions. Even if they both come down from Donovan, our separate lines should be far enough apart to not have much impact on COI. The good thing is, I have one line that isn't related to your Donovan, so that one is a prime line for your herd. That one's producing grade horses currently.

I'm a generation or two out from starting to breed into my main exmoor herd with the browns.

Yeah, unfortunately keeping COI isn't high on my radar right now. Not saying you can't get the color/conformation in without keeping the COI low, I just don't think I'm on enough to tackle that myself. I fully expect that I'm going to be too slow to see this project to completion in time.

In other news, I have other foundation horses so that all my stock will hopefully not be linked just back to Donovan so I'll be doubly sure to let you know if I succeed in that endeavor so you can get more unrelated lines into yours. Feel free to ping me if/when you get a foal you don't want that you think might fit my stock well.

Good luck!

[BlackOak2]

Yeah, unfortunately keeping COI isn't high on my radar right now. Not saying you can't get the color/conformation in without keeping the COI low, I just don't think I'm on enough to tackle that myself. I fully expect that I'm going to be too slow to see this project to completion in time.

In other news, I have other foundation horses so that all my stock will hopefully not be linked just back to Donovan so I'll be doubly sure to let you know if I succeed in that endeavor so you can get more unrelated lines into yours. Feel free to ping me if/when you get a foal you don't want that you think might fit my stock well.

Good luck!

Will do!

Just remember, if you want that trophy, you only need to have generation 3 and later on your account. Still have to be living, but link any you have here, when you see the Exmoor is getting close to completion. Lower the COI the better, so it's not hard (at least for the exmoors) to be 0 COI and in their third generation.

I think, in the future, I'll be producing grades for others to use for certain colors and body correction. I chose to tackle these two because they're relatively easy. So I'll get these two trophy's (I'm sure) but much less likely others down the road. Unless I have something already tucked away somewhere.

[Alice Keegan]

Hey Exmoor Pony breeders! I just wanted to highlight that I put together a very comprehensive breed registry in the Breeding Communities forum.

If it's not obvious, I'm a bit of a data nerd, and I'm very motivated to try to get these ponies as close to realism as possible. If anyone is interested in getting into the weeds with me, feel free to check out the post and see if it's your jam!

I'm not expecting too many takers (I can see my comprehensive standard being a bit overwhelming), but I thought I'd take a stab at this whole "social cooperation" thing.

[Totina]

I have a second generation stallion up for stud now for anyone who is trying to get to the third generation of exmoor ponies. He also has 0% COI.

[Pearl II]

Will do!

Just remember, if you want that trophy, you only need to have generation 3 and later on your account. Still have to be living, but link any you have here, when you see the Exmoor is getting close to completion. Lower the COI the better, so it's not hard (at least for the exmoors) to be 0 COI and in their third generation.

Point of clarification: You only need to be the breeder of a gen 3 or higher horse. Said horse cannot be rehomed (because then all of its data is deleted) but it can be retired. It can also be owned by another player. Retired horses will not have their genetics taken into account, since their genetics are deleted, but you will get the trophy. Accounts that own a gen 3 or higher horse, but *did not breed it* will not be awarded the trophy.

[BlackOak2]

Will do!

Just remember, if you want that trophy, you only need to have generation 3 and later on your account. Still have to be living, but link any you have here, when you see the Exmoor is getting close to completion. Lower the COI the better, so it's not hard (at least for the exmoors) to be 0 COI and in their third generation.

Point of clarification: You only need to be the breeder of a gen 3 or higher horse. Said horse cannot be rehomed (because then all of its data is deleted) but it can be retired. It can also be owned by another player. Retired horses will not have their genetics taken into account, since their genetics are deleted, but you will get the trophy. Accounts that own a gen 3 or higher horse, but *did not breed it* will not be awarded the trophy.

Ah, yes. This was clarified further after I posted, I think (I hope? ). Ah well... this is what we depend upon, to be corrected if and where necessary.

[amithril]

Has anybody else been working on the Exmoors still? I finally got a nice selection of gen 3 broodmares but I am hoping to find similar looking gen 2-3 studs that don't share ancestors with them or that share as few as possible with them. I need to reduce my COI a hair as some of them started getting higher than I wanted them to. They are in this pasture linked here: https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/191249
I crossed a lot with Dynamo and his offspring/relatives that were available for stud. The youngest one is the closest to the right color for the dun Exmoors that I feel I have gotten thus far.

Side note, I have bay/brown Sokolsky and Murakosi horses that I started breeding into some of my older Exmoor broodmares in an attempt to get half Exmoors without dun... and it worked! What I plan on doing next is breeding him and hopefully some fillies that I need to purebred exmoors to lower COI then eventually cross back to get rid of dun again. The immense COI is gonna be the bigger issue since most of my stock is high COI but this will probably be the main way I get the mealy bay/brown into them. And yes... I will be making them available for the public for this project.


Brazen Dubai

[stickers]

Has anybody else been working on the Exmoors still?

I'm definitely working on Exmoors still, I'm just slow, and I have also been working on getting no-dun and cryptic dun Exmoors. It's the main reason it's taking me extra long, haha. But I'm getting there, slowly but surely.

Excited for all the successes people are having! I might start taking people up on these public stud offers to help close the gap.