Energy Usage

[Electron]

Please clarify something for me. I cannot access the database at the moment to determine the actual values.

1) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 50 competitions Each Turn?

2) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 100 competitions Each Turn?

It sounds from the comments in this thread that most of you are not entering this many competitions regularly, and you all seem concerned that you'll be forced to enter LESS competitions than you currently do?

3) Do you even enter a single horse in more than 10 competitions Each Turn?

1. No
2. No
3. Usually no

My main concern is how the energy tax would affect showing when combined with actively training those same horses. I usually try and wring as much training time as possible out of each turn, and a high tax could mean that I personally have to hold off on entering horses until I am completely done training them, or dedicate one turn to entering horses into shows. Occasionally I will enter some of my horses into multiple events with different disciplines, and as I move my program more towards a cross country/ show jumping/ multi entry approach, I may start entering my horses into more shows. One of the side effects of that may be that players start having to choose which horses they want to train, and which ones they want to show. However, that also depends on the training methods people use.

Personally, I think that once the competition side of the game starts picking up more, and as more people start breeding to compete, it will no longer make a ton of sense for people to keep horses in stasis and show them. The quality of the horses in the game continues to greatly improve every week, and some of the older horses will not be able to keep up. Also, as more people join and begin competing, it will take a higher quality of horse to win/show/place enough to get the points needed for a championship. The question seems to be if you would rather make corrections now, or wait and see if a form of equilibrium can be reached later on.

[Weaving]

Totally new train of thought. What about a show tax that is totally separate from energy? All horses could start a turn as usual with 100% training energy and 100% show energy. Entering shows decreases available showing energy, whilst training decreases the usual energy. That way entering shows wouldn't inhibit training... Maybe this has already been suggested?

[Skraythrax]

It actually is quite realistic to breed huge volumes of horses. There are stud farms, such as those in the Thoroughbred industry, that drop a hundred foals every year, 90% of which will never amount to much of anything, but every year they keep trying to make crosses that produce a champion. And as I recall, there are literally thousands of European warmbloods hanging out on stud farms across various countries because horse breeding is in part a government affair. The entire purpose of state studs is to produce high quality horses for the public and offer quality stallions. The "rejects" are "rehomed" insofar as anything that isn't quality enough to be kept by the stud as a replacement is sold off to the public. Individuals do not breed in high volumes with strong culling (not in horses at least, but this is the norm in every other livestock animal) but industries sure do. Some players play as individuals, others as industries.

Additional time between shows would be unnecessary. On any given day, the average player is going to progress through at least two weeks in game time, probably more, so the passage of time is a non-issue. The times would line up oddly because you could in theory have two horses of the same age entered in the same show at different times (horse A entered as 5 year old, account ages forward 3 years, horse B is entered as an 8 year old), but that's already a quirk in game. Regardless, every other game I've encountered has done just fine with limited show entries (typically ten per animal) and player runs shows (typically 10 per account), though most do not also combine this with turn-based aging.

I don't see what game time has to do with comparing performance; entering shows would take up energy, not time.

Thanks for expanding on some of my thoughts. You are totally right, I wasn't thinking in terms of playing as an industry at all. That makes realistic sense. As for entering competitions to enter your horses against each other, you are also right in that it would not affect the time per se. I think I confused myself! My next question would then be is the energy deducted at the time upon entrance? That could throw a hitch for people who prefer to enter several real time days worth of shows at a time.

Please clarify something for me. I cannot access the database at the moment to determine the actual values.

1) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 50 competitions Each Turn?

2) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 100 competitions Each Turn?

It sounds from the comments in this thread that most of you are not entering this many competitions regularly, and you all seem concerned that you'll be forced to enter LESS competitions than you currently do?

3) Do you even enter a single horse in more than 10 competitions Each Turn?

I have no hard numbers for how many shows I enter per turn, but I can tell you that I enter a horse into every single show that it has a chance in all in one sitting. Otherwise it is too tedious to figure out where I stopped entering shows at in the list. Horses with no show record get entered into everything level 1-10 in Racing, Sprint Racing, Harness Racing, Endurance Racing. and Pole Bending. I will enter them into all of the shows level 1-5 of other events like Dressage, Saddleseat, Western Pleasure, etc. if I have the time. Once a horse has leveled up in its best events, I still show them in every event I can for those events plus all of the other events that they are only average in. I tend to take an all or nothing approach to showing.

[Randi Potos]

Please clarify something for me. I cannot access the database at the moment to determine the actual values.

1) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 50 competitions Each Turn?

2) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 100 competitions Each Turn?

It sounds from the comments in this thread that most of you are not entering this many competitions regularly, and you all seem concerned that you'll be forced to enter LESS competitions than you currently do?

3) Do you even enter a single horse in more than 10 competitions Each Turn?

None of the above apply to my game play at the moment, but I do plan to focus more on showing. Right now I'm improving certain characteristics in my herd. I test in local shows, but do not compete in player hosted shows. When I have shown horses in player shows in the past, each horse would be entered into a total of 10-20 player shows per day.

[Fox13]

Please clarify something for me. I cannot access the database at the moment to determine the actual values.

1) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 50 competitions Each Turn?

2) Do any of you enter a single horse into more than 100 competitions Each Turn?

It sounds from the comments in this thread that most of you are not entering this many competitions regularly, and you all seem concerned that you'll be forced to enter LESS competitions than you currently do?

3) Do you even enter a single horse in more than 10 competitions Each Turn?

I have no hard numbers for how many shows I enter per turn, but I can tell you that I enter a horse into every single show that it has a chance in all in one sitting. Otherwise it is too tedious to figure out where I stopped entering shows at in the list. Horses with no show record get entered into everything level 1-10 in Racing, Sprint Racing, Harness Racing, Endurance Racing. and Pole Bending. I will enter them into all of the shows level 1-5 of other events like Dressage, Saddleseat, Western Pleasure, etc. if I have the time. Once a horse has leveled up in its best events, I still show them in every event I can for those events plus all of the other events that they are only average in. I tend to take an all or nothing approach to showing.

My entry is much like Skraythrax, except on a much smaller scale (i.e. only one horse at the moment). I'll enter him in as many as he might be capable of placing in the top four. When I've figured it out, I'll enter into all I see available in his levels, once every couple days. If there is only ten available, then ten competitions is what I enter, but if there is upwards of thirty available (given available funds) I'll enter him into all thirty.
But as answered...
1) I don't think I ever have, but I can't say I wouldn't if given the opportunity of available shows.
2) I'd cut it off somewhere, I wouldn't enter 100 even if given the chance (I'd feel guilty about taking an available space for somebody else, but that's personal belief).
3) Often, as I already said.

[GlacierLake]

I buy alot of horses which puts money in the pockets of other players, from the competition winnings of my 'Sub-standard' champion horses. So why can't I enjoy their winnings after I train them to full stats. I don't have the 7-Green horses and don't plan on ever attaining them.
Inbreeding over 15% is what I would call a form of cheating.
The rules of this game do not restrict how anyone wants to play this game.
I have stopped all my $20 entry competitions, deleted all my stud ads, and have stopped entering my horses in competitions. So no more buying other players horses either. I am unsure my next step. I will probably rehome most of my horses, since Arrogant thinks them as inadequate and competitions as meaningless.
I hope that a few players can continue to enjoy playing this game, I did.

[Skraythrax]

I buy alot of horses which puts money in the pockets of other players, from the competition winnings of my 'Sub-standard' champion horses. So why can't I enjoy their winnings after I train them to full stats. I don't have the 7-Green horses and don't plan on ever attaining them.
Inbreeding over 15% is what I would call a form of cheating.
The rules of this game do not restrict how anyone wants to play this game.
I have stopped all my $20 entry competitions, deleted all my stud ads, and have stopped entering my horses in competitions. So no more buying other players horses either. I am unsure my next step. I will probably rehome most of my horses, since Arrogant thinks them as inadequate and competitions as meaningless.
I hope that a few players can continue to enjoy playing this game, I did.

I wouldn't jump off just yet, this is all under review. I am thankful that Larissa is talking to us about this first. Most games you play there won't be this much developer/player interaction. Don't worry if how you are playing is like other people. I do this game around a full-time job too, and usually 1-2 part-time ones. It is good to know your own individual priorities. I think the competitions are quite useful, but you have to know what good scores are for what events and you have to look at the competition that your horses' ran up against. Like you I also love picking out new horses from other farms and turning them into the best they can be. Don't sweat it, there's more people like you here than it may seem

[Fox13]

I buy alot of horses which puts money in the pockets of other players, from the competition winnings of my 'Sub-standard' champion horses. So why can't I enjoy their winnings after I train them to full stats. I don't have the 7-Green horses and don't plan on ever attaining them.
Inbreeding over 15% is what I would call a form of cheating.
The rules of this game do not restrict how anyone wants to play this game.
I have stopped all my $20 entry competitions, deleted all my stud ads, and have stopped entering my horses in competitions. So no more buying other players horses either. I am unsure my next step. I will probably rehome most of my horses, since Arrogant thinks them as inadequate and competitions as meaningless.
I hope that a few players can continue to enjoy playing this game, I did.

I also agree with Skraythrax, just because Argent (or any one person, for that matter) has one opinion, it doesn't mean we all share the same view. Everybody will play the game their own way and use whatever tools or allowances the game allows them to. Whether the individual thinks something (such as immortal horses) is a form of cheating or playing the system, as long as the game allows it to happen, then it's something that's allowed to happen. The great thing is, that we get the chance to play the way we see fit. If things change (as in this upcoming possibility), we get to hash it out with or without fists involved, so at the very least none of us feel like anybody really gets an advantage (or their way over everybody else). I've always considered things came out fair in the end if everybody feels like they lost a little and they won a little.
It's a game after all and there will always be people trying to make it seem more real than it is. That and trying to force their views on others. But that happens anywhere you can go.
Remember why you and most of us are here, to relieve the stress of day to day life and fulfill some of the desires that day to day life just doesn't.

Besides, I'd hate to loose another competitor to try my show stock against.

[Randi Potos]

I buy alot of horses which puts money in the pockets of other players, from the competition winnings of my 'Sub-standard' champion horses. So why can't I enjoy their winnings after I train them to full stats. I don't have the 7-Green horses and don't plan on ever attaining them.
Inbreeding over 15% is what I would call a form of cheating.
The rules of this game do not restrict how anyone wants to play this game.
I have stopped all my $20 entry competitions, deleted all my stud ads, and have stopped entering my horses in competitions. So no more buying other players horses either. I am unsure my next step. I will probably rehome most of my horses, since Arrogant thinks them as inadequate and competitions as meaningless.
I hope that a few players can continue to enjoy playing this game, I did.

What? I think this is a major overreaction. Not being able to keep horses indefinitely isn't going to make the game unplayable. From what I understand, none of this is set in stone yet either. I think we are very lucky here with a game owner who is willing to take suggestions, listen to their players and try to create a game that everyone will enjoy. I think if you have a specific concern that you think will negatively impact the way you play the game, you should feel free to voice it and discuss. It's too early to chuck everything and throw in the towel over something that hasn't even been implemented yet, in my opinion. The passive-aggressive tone in your post rubs me the wrong way. So I'll leave it at that.

[Tom]

I've made a change to the first post, but I'll put it here too so everyone sees it:

This post has stirred up a lot of trouble so I'm going to set the record straight. Nothing posted here was Larissa's plan for HWO and it was never going to happen. We are looking at small changes to discourage immortal horses, but nothing to punish people who like to enter a lot of shows or breed a lot of horses each turn. Please keep in mind look at changes very hard before making them and wouldn't do something that would stop people from enjoying HWO.
Thanks,
Tom